Hand-editing Cross Sections and pushing changes back to Design?

I have a number of manual changes to make to my cross sections. These are isolated, one-off items that are driven by Engineer's opinion than by reproducible programmatic logic. Things like "why don't we just tie to existing ground at that one section" or "we don't need a ditch, but could you show some grading so it will drain right in there".

As small as these items are, I want these changes reflected in my construction limits (proposed surface boundary) and, if possible, in my proposed surface. Is there a way to "push" hand edits back to my design surface?

Also, I need to run end area/volumes for my earthwork computations. Do those run by cross sections, or are they from model to model? Will they calculate along the top of my design, or will it find my components and include/exclude those volumes as appropriate? All the more reason to make sure that my hand-edits can be pushed back to design...

Thank you.

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  • In this version, I believe it reads the surface elements. As such, only insert vertex, delete vertex, modify, extent to intersection are available as tools. If you create new elements that are not recognized by InRoads as coming from a surface, it will ignore them. The same goes for components. I had a project where every now and then, a component would be missed on a section. I could draw one in, or even copy one from an adjacent section, but InRoads would ignore it.
    There used to be a tool that allowed you to identify elements as being Surface elements and then you could use Surface from Sections to make a surface.
    If End Condition Exceptions can be used, that's a better option. Or use the feature tools to develop a 3D feature to follow in that area and adding it as a H&V point control. Lastly you could use those same tools to modify the breaklines of your corridor and regenerate a surface from it. I believe if you modify all features used by a component, you might even be able to redisplay a new version of the component. And if that seems to work, refresh the ross sections and try running the volumes again.

    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996
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  • In this version, I believe it reads the surface elements. As such, only insert vertex, delete vertex, modify, extent to intersection are available as tools. If you create new elements that are not recognized by InRoads as coming from a surface, it will ignore them. The same goes for components. I had a project where every now and then, a component would be missed on a section. I could draw one in, or even copy one from an adjacent section, but InRoads would ignore it.
    There used to be a tool that allowed you to identify elements as being Surface elements and then you could use Surface from Sections to make a surface.
    If End Condition Exceptions can be used, that's a better option. Or use the feature tools to develop a 3D feature to follow in that area and adding it as a H&V point control. Lastly you could use those same tools to modify the breaklines of your corridor and regenerate a surface from it. I believe if you modify all features used by a component, you might even be able to redisplay a new version of the component. And if that seems to work, refresh the ross sections and try running the volumes again.

    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996
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