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Civil Cells Dependency Failure

Damian Bull
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Hi all

Im currently preparing a civil cell of a hardstand in which my elevation is mainly dependent on a vertical offset from a 3D point. I have allowed for other control variables such as grades, and dimension adjustments. The civil cell functions to how I imagine it should with all dependencies reading. As a final touch I wish for one of my controls to be a vertical offset from the 3D point, in which I have used the "profile by slope from point" tool. The issue being in doing so, and trying to store the cell, several dependencies are seemingly lost. Although shown in the preview pane the cell does not construct the indicated elements. Is this perhaps a defect in software or is there something im missing? 

Attached is the files I am currently working with my 3D included as a reference file.

The point is in a 3D space referenced into the 2D civil cell model only. The references for the cell are the 3D point and a vertical non-ruled white line from it that serves as a rotator.

For ease of visuals, attached is a screenshot in which the profile of the line, mentioned above, is opened.

Turbine Locations.dgnnew.dgn

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    Hi Damian,

    Thanks for attaching your data. I have it open, but from your description I'm having a hard time seeing your question. What is your workflow when you say that several dependencies are lost, and can you give me an example of a lost dependency? I created a civil cell from the new file, and placed it on the point below that civil cell. All seemed to transfer properly, but I could be missing something or not see it correctly. If you could guide me a little more in depth information of what problem you're seeing, I'll be able to troubleshoot it for you.

    Holly

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  • 0 Offline in reply to Holly Herring
    Hi Holly

    Thanks for the swift response. Creating a civil cell using the 3D point and the rotator described above as references works perfect. When placing the cell everything functions as it should. However should I set a profile to the color 37 line, extending from the point using the tool "profile by slope from point", before creating the civil cell some elements are seemingly lost. The references are highlighted as if valid when creating it (civil cell preview pane as well), but when trying to place it the cell does not fully construct.

    Damian
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  • 0 Offline in reply to Holly Herring
    Hi Holly

    Thanks for the swift response. Creating a civil cell using the 3D point and the rotator described above as references works perfect. When placing the cell everything functions as it should. However should I set a profile to the color 37 line, extending from the point using the tool "profile by slope from point", before creating the civil cell some elements are seemingly lost. The references are highlighted as if valid when creating it (civil cell preview pane as well), but when trying to place it the cell does not fully construct.

    Damian
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  • 0 Offline in reply to Damian Bull
    Hi Damian,

    I believe this has something to do with your reference file, Turbine Locations.dgn. I noticed that you attached the 3D model to the Default model of the new.dgn. When this is done, it should automatically attach it to the Default-3D model of new.dgn as well. For some reason you either deleted it, or it did not attach itself. You will want to reattach the Turbine Locations.dgn to make sure that it creates the attachment in the Default-3D. I do not have your .itl, so it's a little hard for me to test to make sure this is the cause of it all. But after I did a few tests, I'm pretty sure this is it. If after you redesign your civil cell and it's not working, please let me know.

    Holly

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  • 0 Offline in reply to Holly Herring
    Hi Holly

    To my knowledge should a 3D reference be attached to a 2D model space it would only automatically be attached to the 3D if it has an active effect on the model. Example being setting a referenced terrain model active in the 2D model space. However I don't think that this is the case after i've tried using the Turbine Locations.dgn attached to the 3D instead of the Default model of new.dgn via live nesting. By applying the vertical offset in this manner the same problem of elements not constructing occurs.

    Damian
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