How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features (InRoads V8i Select Series 2)

RE: How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features (InRoads V8i Select Series 2)

Eduardo Guinard — Mon, 06 Apr 2020 16:25:45 GMT

Daniel:

I need to accomplish the same thing you dealt with. Where you able to resolve it? I created the design corridor model in SS4 and created existing terrain features from the existing dtm for the existing pavements, sidewalk, driveways then applied a terrain templates to give it thickness. I need to exclude these areas when in cut sections since these quantity is being paid in a separate item however I do need to include the quantity when in fill sections. I am using SS2 inroads to calculate the earthwork.

Thank you

Eduardo

RE: How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features (InRoads V8i Select Series 2)

Daniel Wierzbicki — Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:55:33 GMT

Any other ideas? I am still trying to figure this out and this seems like it is impossible! Is there anyway to make the existing components (By feature) act as a surface?

I was thinking since the program uses the surface/terrain to calculate earthwork is there anyway to add these Existing components by feature as part of a surface? The existing components are "Overlay/striping" components in the template model. Is there anyway this could work in my favor?

I apologize if this doesn't make sense. I am just trying to make this work. It seems impossible.

RE: How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features (InRoads V8i Select Series 2)

Daniel Wierzbicki — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 18:32:23 GMT

Mark,

Thank you for understanding.

In the General leaf, my Corridor Name (Design Surface) is 'Design' under the type column. My Terrain (existing surface) is "Existing' under the type column.

In my Classification leaf, I set all my components to 'Exclude' but the area that is being calculated is not accurate. I have been trying to switch the component's 'Classification' from 'Designed' to "Unclassified/Rock/Unsuitable/etc." and changing the 'Mass Ordinance' from 'Include' to 'Exclude' and vice versa (hoping that maybe a different combination may give me the correct area) but every combination I have tried does not give the desired area.

No Idea what to do next. Any other possible ideas?

Best,
Dan

RE: How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features (InRoads V8i Select Series 2)

The Zen Dude — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 17:46:50 GMT

It might help to post the DGN file with your Cross Sections, along with the ALG file containing the alignment.

RE: How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features (InRoads V8i Select Series 2)

The Zen Dude — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 17:44:34 GMT

Daniel, ya it's tough being new, and equally challenging to answer some questions without knowing certain specifics like the exact version, or using the correct terminology so we know what you are talking about. It's like another language.

Two things that I would check: 1) on the EAV command, General leaf, make sure that your design Surface says 'Design' under the 'Type' column. And 2) on the Classifications leaf, make sure that the Components listed are all set to 'Exclude' under the 'Mass Ordinate' column. Those are the key areas.

RE: How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features.

Daniel Wierzbicki — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 17:22:51 GMT

Mark,

Thank you for your response. I used the "End Area Volume" under Corridor Modeling, go to 'Classifications', and try to change the 'Classification' and 'Mass Ordinate' columns. Doing so I haven't been able to exclude the area of the existing components. The existing components are suppposed to represent the existing pavement, curb, sidewalk, etc. which will not be included in the earthwork calculations because there are separate removal pay items for them. I am trying to calculate the area between the bottom of the 'existing' components and the 'proposed' components.

Correct. The existing components are created from the surface from Roadway Designer.

I am using InRoads V8i Select Series 2. I apologize in advance if my vocabulary/jargon is not accurate as I am relatively new to InRoads.

Thank you.

RE: How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features.

The Zen Dude — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:56:34 GMT

Daniel, you stated that you set the proposed Components to IGNORE. ... Where did you do that? Do you mean "Exclude" under the Mass Ordinate column in the End-Area Volumes command? (This is for InRoads SS2) You also mention "existing components" ...do you mean the design Components from the surface created by the Roadway Designer?

...and by the way, "MicroStation" is not "InRoads". And InRoads has many versions so you have to check the version number and post that along with your question.

RE: How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features.

Daniel Wierzbicki — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:23:09 GMT

I am using Microstation (InRoads). I am still having this issue. Any ideas how to exclude the volume of the existing components?

RE: How to calculate earthwork from Cross sections excluding existing Components/Features.

Nico Roman — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:16:07 GMT

which software and version are you using?
thanks
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