OpenRoads Designer , Where to annotate coordinates, stations and bearing? Drawing model? Design Model? Sheet Model?

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OpenRoads Designer 
 When creating sheets from named boundaries the software automatically creates a drawing model then a sheet model from the named boundary. This workflow seems to work well and is pretty straight forward. The problem I have ran into is the fact the drawing model references are rotated and sometimes moved. So the world coordinates in the drawing model don't match the design model. If I where to identify a coordinate value or bearing without using the "OpenRoads label tools" they would be incorrect. Where do we label or annotate world coordinates and bearings? I would prefer to do it in the drawing model. Is there a setting or workflow to keep the drawing model references scale 1:1 , xy=0,0 and rotation 0 degrees?

Holly Herring · Answer

Hi Zane, 
 
 All annotation should be done within the Drawing Model. Are you wanting to annotate civil elements with their coordinates? You will have to create a Text Favorite for this, then add it to an annotation group. Here's an example video of how to do this: https://communities.bentley.com/products/road___site_design/w/road_and_site_design__wiki/34981/video-editing-the-station-format-of-a-horizontal-alignment-s-annotation 
 
 Holly

Holly Herring · Answer

Hi Zane, 
 
 The annotation comes from properties from the design model. The Drawing model has the design model referenced to it. So when annotation occurs, it takes the information from the design model. You can verify that they are correct by annotating in the drawing model, then checking to make sure the coordinates match when you snap to the point within the design model. 
 
 Holly

Holly Herring · Answer

I filed Defect 803213: Drawing Model coordinates do not match Design Model coordinates . As of now, with OpenRoads Designer (ORD) v10.02.00.60 or earlier, the Drawing Model rotates the Design Model planar to the x,y axis if creating a plan sheet. This only really affects the tools Label Coordinates and Label Element. They label the coordinate values associated with the existing model. If there are other tools this affects that I have not listed, please let me know. It does not affect annotation tools such as any of the Text tools. These tools can annotate using the Insert Field command that annotate according to an element&rsquo;s property, whether the element is a civil element or not. They will display the coordinate values from the Design Model. 
 
 I recommend annotating using Civil tools, and not tools that hold no intelligence like the Label Coordinates or Label Element. The recommended workflow is to use Annotation Groups to group together multiple Annotation Definitions to annotate elements. For example, you could have an Annotation Group that has an Annotation Definition to add tick marks, a definition to annotate PIs that was generated from a Text Favorite, and a definition to annotate stationing every 100 units. The Feature Definitions can be set up to point to a specific Annotation Group that will annotate all of that at once. 
 
 If you have a random annotation that you need within a Drawing Model, use the Place Text tool to do this. You can utilize the Insert Field button to choose that you want X,Y,Z coordinates to annotate on a specific element. This can be used to replace the Label Coordinates or Label Element field. You don&rsquo;t necessarily have to set up a Text Favorite unless you will use it often, and want to save it. If you are specifically wanting to use Label Coordinates or Label Element, you will want to use them in the Design Model, not the Drawing Model to get the correct coordinates 
 
 We have learning paths that teach how to set up Annotation Groups: http://learn.bentley.com/app/Public/ViewLearningPathDetails?lpId=111346 . It will be the OpenRoads Designer Workspace Setup: Step 5 &ndash; Annotation and the OpenRoads Designer Workspace Setup: Step 6 - Survey Annotation . I highly recommend walking through these videos to understand how Annotation Groups and Text Favorites operate. 
 
 If there is a specific type of annotation that you cannot figure out how to reproduce with the civil tools, please let me know. Tell me which tool you are currently using to annotate, and how it isn&rsquo;t functioning how you would like for it to. I will help you to get the annotation that you are looking for. 
 
 Holly

jpln · Answer

I don't know if there is any reason to prevent using unrotated drawing model. Let development team answer. 
 Meanwhile a workaround to keep your workflow, I fully understand and agree with, is to create your own drawing model in which you can reference your design unrotated. Then you reference back this model in the design with no nesting. Now you can produce sheets with no action in the individual drawing models. 
 So one more model and reference management but you have to do it only once or have it already prepared in a seed.

OpenRoads Designer , Where to annotate coordinates, stations and bearing? Drawing model? Design Model? Sheet Model?

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