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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>OpenSite Designer - Landscaping Features?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/road___site_design/f/geopak-inroads-mx-openroads-forum/178474/opensite-designer---landscaping-features</link><description>This month&amp;#39;s SIG was very interesting. 
 Echoing this post , I wonder OpenSite Designer might not pave the way for a landscape architecture BIM app. A lot of the elements are there for a unique offering, especially as Vue Render is being integrated into</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: OpenSite Designer - Landscaping Features?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/575710?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:02:48 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:0af99c27-8c42-4b62-b58f-ecdf7423da14</guid><dc:creator>dominic SEAH</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;What can OSD and Mstn CE offer?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;A Common Modeling Environment that leverages some powerfull terrain modeling tools coming from mature apps like Geopak, OpenRoads. None of the other apps on the market has this kind of depth on offer. VectorWorks Landmark has only recently enhancing its solid modeling. Civils 3D is too complicated for landscaping designers. The other ACAD-based addons do not have very good terrain modeling tools.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;ContextCapture: Bentley has a big lead here and RealityMeshes is ideal for capturing landscaping context. Faster/more picturesque than point clouds.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;LumenRT/ Vue / Plantfactory:&amp;nbsp; Rendering platform that is very much aimed at landscaping environments. Mstn U14 is due to see some Vue-related functionality incorporated into Mstn&amp;#39;s display system.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Geolocation: a lot of the low-level transform stuff required for large scale projects already in place. &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJhbT90Ubuc&amp;amp;t=33s"&gt;Bing&lt;/a&gt; Maps integration. It would be good to add access to OpenStreetMap or other sources for quick and easy &lt;a href="/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/192480/extracting-3d-meshes-from-bing-google-maps"&gt;3d&lt;/a&gt; terrain and buildings data, not just 2d maps.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Reference files: still best in class and key for handling large projects and surprisingly relevant for &lt;a href="http://standards.buildingsmart.org/MVD/RELEASE/IFC4/ADD2_TC1/RV1_2/HTML/schema/views/reference-view/index.htm"&gt;BIM&lt;/a&gt;-centric workflows!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Hypermodeling: integrating 2d CAD drawing info with 3d models is even more relevant in landscape design. Unified CAD+BIM platform. No need for two or more licensing, training and maintenance overheads. While still not without its problems, Dynamic Views / CVEs etc are still a little better than the ACAD-based / VectorWorks equivalents. Especially in combo with &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/j6stNkKuKB8?list=PLMxDUk91MUDQ2Srti4xzjjWXc556w5clc&amp;amp;t=87"&gt;Reality&lt;/a&gt; / &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFA__TNLNMk&amp;amp;list=PLMxDUk91MUDQ2Srti4xzjjWXc556w5clc&amp;amp;index=12"&gt;Scalable&lt;/a&gt; Terrain Meshes .&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Cesium: early start in this &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/kwoxvr66Bbk?t=13"&gt;important&lt;/a&gt; GIS-level platform. See also Bentley OpenCities &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/nK5PS2NfarA?t=20"&gt;Planner&lt;/a&gt; offering. Capture daylighting impacts?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Photogrammetry: Decartes / CC has some powerful photo &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HEK-7Mumf8"&gt;navigation&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/GtRBZIqmBKs?t=159"&gt;overlay&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/dFakfqb-2RY?t=53"&gt;tools&lt;/a&gt;. Orthophoto tools in the &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/HVfz-MJk7mg?t=55"&gt;horizontal&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/kHEwiHbmmHM?list=PLMxDUk91MUDQ2Srti4xzjjWXc556w5clc&amp;amp;t=114"&gt;vertical&lt;/a&gt;. Mstn has come basic photo &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm_Rv627v6A"&gt;matching&lt;/a&gt; tools. Even better if ths could be enhanced by long-serving &lt;a href="http://www.phocad.de/de/PHIDIAS/Demo_Videos/Konstruktion/konstruktion.html"&gt;Phidias&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;SiteOps cut &amp;amp; fill optimisation: still the only &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/IpbvtSQvgWM?t=48"&gt;one&lt;/a&gt; on the market?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;OSD&amp;#39;s built-in &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/q3kkqCtgfM4?t=24"&gt;three-&lt;/a&gt;phase level of detail display. Based on Mstn CE&amp;#39;s Display Handlers?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;ComponentCenter: could be used to manage the quite interesting requirements for plant databases, planting &lt;a href="https://www.keysoftsolutions.co.uk/media/1734/final-keytree-managing-your-assets.mp4"&gt;lists&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Mstn CE&amp;#39;s new Item Types / Display Styles model-driven annotation and reporting tools.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Mstn&amp;#39;s Element Templates - mapping-style, feature-based display functionality.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Allied civils modeling tools: SUE/SUDA for drainage / irrigation(?), Geo5 for retaining wall design. OpenUtilities&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Allied analysis tools: Plaxis / Solivision for geostructural, slope stability checks, OpenFlow for flooding. OpenFlows for retention pond / &lt;a href="http://www.bgs.ac.uk/research/engineeringGeology/urbanGeoscience/SUDS/what.html"&gt;SUDS&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0geZ1g3akxA"&gt;Gradient&lt;/a&gt; fills, &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5_w0rzumNU"&gt;transparency&lt;/a&gt;, display priority-savvy mapping quality pdf output via Bentley Map / CADScript heritage.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;CAD heritage, DWG referencing ensures good integration with civils &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCgW3I0rdo"&gt;surveying&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAGlDypvzvs"&gt;GIS&lt;/a&gt; context.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Hard landscaping: Mstn / OpenBuilding Designer constraints / solid modeling tools still much better than what is available in the landscape market currently. OBD&amp;#39;s new Railings tool could be tweaked to do fencing on terrain.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;GenerativeComponents: much more mature than VectorWorks Marionette. Dynamo available for ACAD but not currently in Land F/X or Keyscape. Lands Design does leverage Grasshopper but not very mature.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Mstn&amp;#39;s Thematic &lt;a href="/products/road___site_design/w/road_and_site_design__wiki/42178/video-display-thematic-slopes"&gt;Slope&lt;/a&gt; Display Style is still a killer feedback tool, especially for paving design.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;??&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As mentioned, I think that Bentley is well positioned to step in with a compelling offer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenSite Designer - Landscaping Features?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/575705?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2020 10:14:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:8f2e91e3-4916-4713-a6f8-88bd182756ea</guid><dc:creator>dominic SEAH</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Looking back, I&amp;#39;ve discovered that there has been several landscaping addons for Mstn: &lt;a href="http://www.verycomputer.com/9_ff351c6fb1d2dbe9_1.htm"&gt;Triforma&lt;/a&gt; for Landscape Architecture (MS95), Landscape DesignWare (was apparently an Intergraph product), even &lt;a href="/products/road___site_design/w/road_and_site_design__wiki/4692/introduction-to-landscape"&gt;Geopak&lt;/a&gt; has a landscaping addon (V8). Most recently, there was &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-kornaker/"&gt;AEC&lt;/a&gt; CADCON&amp;#39;s Landscape&lt;a href="https://www.cadalyst.com/cad/microstation/first-look-review-landscapedesign-1-3188"&gt;Design 1(&lt;/a&gt;V8i).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For starters, it would be great to look at incorporating the Geopak tools (and maybe the AEC CADCON stuff. Hopefully, they have a planting / paving database that can be re-used without too much trouble- they don&amp;#39;t seem to be trading anymore?).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Business case:&lt;/strong&gt; I think that there is a hidden demand that is pretty intriguing, but I guess we should start small. Ideally, a large Bentley user would step up and commit to a number of seats. Hint hint! Apparently, this was the way Bentley Substation started life.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is an acknowledged &lt;a href="https://landscapearchitecturemagazine.org/2016/02/16/the-limits-of-bim/"&gt;disconnect&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;a href="https://www.pobonline.com/articles/100788-landscape-architecture-a-useful-piece-of-the-bim-workflow"&gt;the&lt;/a&gt; market at the moment where BIM is concerned where building BIM apps are &lt;a href="https://worldlandscapearchitect.com/revit-and-landscape-architecture-the-benefits/#comment-3550"&gt;trying&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href="https://www.autodesk.com/autodesk-university/class/Landscape-Architecture-Revit-Workflows-Collaboration-and-Documentation-2019#presentation"&gt;fill &lt;/a&gt;the &lt;a href="https://www.keysoftsolutions.com/media/1644/2017-02-21-1301-more-than-a-revit-workaround-a-solution.mp4"&gt;gap&lt;/a&gt;; resulting in some convoluted and expensive &amp;#39;scripted&amp;#39; workflows between Rhino and R*vit. Great for BIM gurus self promoting at trade shows, not so great for anyone else. Bleeding edge is great but not for too long, right?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This disconnect is also belatedly playing itself out in the infrastructure sector as IFC5 develops and more governments start asking for BIM deliverables for road and rail projects. Transit &lt;a href="https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/"&gt;streets&lt;/a&gt; / &lt;a href="https://www.railjournal.com/passenger/light-rail/berlin-plans-major-light-rail-expansion/"&gt;tram&lt;/a&gt; systems are also getting popular.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looking at Keyscape, there has always been a lot of &amp;#39;BIM&amp;#39; going on in the road sector. Large and steady scope, lots of compulsory standards etc has spawn quite a bit of automation. Looking at &lt;a href="https://www.keysoftsolutions.com/resources/videos/"&gt;Keysoft&lt;/a&gt; Solutions, I like the way they have provided automation for all those ancillary areas associated with roadway design, including &lt;a href="https://www.keysoftsolutions.co.uk/media/2451/keypost-webinar-june-2019.mp4"&gt;signage&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://www.keysoftsolutions.co.uk/media/1743/keylines-and-3d-markings-edited.mp4"&gt;linemarking&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://www.keysoftsolutions.co.uk/media/2407/keylights-webinar-4-12-18.mp4"&gt;lighting&lt;/a&gt; and yes &lt;a href="https://www.keysoftsolutions.com/media/1671/2017-04-18-1301-hardscape-and-paving.mp4"&gt;hard&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://www.keysoftsolutions.com/media/1670/2017-03-08-1101-managing-plant-data.mp4"&gt;soft&lt;/a&gt; landscaping design. They have even tackled pedestrain &lt;a href="https://www.keysoftsolutions.com/media/1730/autostripe-for-microstation-rescale-nq.mp4"&gt;crossings&lt;/a&gt;. I look at OpenSite Designer and think how incomplete it is from a project delivery standpoint. Worth noting that these ancillary areas entail quite a bit of cost and are also important for getting stakeholder consent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/5922/Rhino_2B00_Revit-for-Landscaping.pdf"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../Rhino_2B00_Revit-for-Landscaping.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenSite Designer - Landscaping Features?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/575216?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2020 08:14:50 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:9ee7c504-2021-4587-a7b9-4495e2f3c269</guid><dc:creator>dominic SEAH</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Breaking news - Apple Ipad Pro to feature &lt;a href="https://www.spar3d.com/news/lidar/lidar-is-the-ipad-pros-unexpected-new-feature/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;amp;utm_medium=marketo&amp;amp;utm_campaign=spareditor&amp;amp;mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTVdJM09EQXhOalE1T1ROaSIsInQiOiJKNE5EK3YzMWtSRDdZandYcTlYUzVVNEdJSFZhaXVwVTQxZ1BrcEd0NW9CNDh0OHVHb3B0TDlqbnd4QXFzblZzaTY1QlpDZTB4dVh2Z3l6OG1nTVVCRklSeVwvek1BZ3k5TjVZQ2IyUzRPU1RlMERURUVkUTZ5OG9TOTNqT3o1QWcifQ%3D%3D"&gt;LIDAR&lt;/a&gt; sensor!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The 2d photo-based workflow above does seem a bit gimmicky and outdated but working-in-context will be more mainstream and very attractive for landscape designers and architects.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Working-in-context is something that Bentley is well positioned to support.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenSite Designer - Landscaping Features?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/574706?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:07:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:8b1e1ea7-f065-49af-adef-a4c0cb9b706e</guid><dc:creator>dominic SEAH</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Chuck!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If &lt;a href="https://www.designware.info/"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is the same app, it has been re-branded as &lt;a href="https://www.designware.info/greenscapes.html"&gt;Greenscapes&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The photo-based workflow is pretty much right up ContextCapture&amp;#39;s&amp;nbsp; (and Plantfactory) street.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No sign of a CAD interface in Greenscapes but, OSD has that covered.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenSite Designer - Landscaping Features?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/574393?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:40:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:0637d51b-1800-4af7-8ed4-b1b627f7d875</guid><dc:creator>caddcop</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I recall a product called Landscape Designware that was an add-on to a much earlier version of MicroStation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems a missed opportunity for Bentley. We have an Environmental Product office that does a lot of highway beautification work and similar efforts for various other DOT site designs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The &amp;quot;builds 3D from 2D&amp;quot; nature of the Open ... products scream for this type of capability.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenSite Designer - Landscaping Features?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/574379?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2020 10:51:23 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:cb7a303e-8b9f-40c0-b1bd-cbda51c1bdd2</guid><dc:creator>dominic SEAH</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;bump&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>