[IR SS2] Generate H & V geometry from point elements?

I have received several files from our surveyors that have any number of points drawn into them. These are not COGO points. They are spot elevation points shot along the centerline of a road. They are graphic cell elements, more or less in a line, that I need to generate horizontal and (corresponding) vertical geometry from.

i have no idea how to turn this collection of spots into an alignment, let alone how to get that alignment to read and generate its own vertical geometry from the spot point elevations.

Can this be done strictly from elements? Do I need to request the FWD file (If so, what do I do with it)?

I know I can import the symbols to be COGO points, but that isn't getting me any closer to a solution.
Chain Points looks promising, but that wants me to physically click from point to point to point to point...
Create Alignment from COGO points looks promising also, but it doesn't do what I think it does.
Curve fitting looks interesting, but that appears to be more for refining AFTER I've chained the points together.

Any suggestions or guidance?
Thank you.
MaryB
Power InRoads 08.11.07.615

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  • MaryB ...

    1) Make sure that your graphics are just a single point. Use the MicroStation SelectBy tool to make sure you are only selecting a single location for each point, or replace those graphic cells with a single active point. Watch it, because some graphics will be imported with more than just the origin of the point (you only want one point representing each shot location).

    2) After you've selected them, just go to the Import Surface > From Graphics and pull them into a dummy surface. Use Single Element, Element Use Element Elevations, define a breakline style, and set the Point Type to Random. That will pull all of those points into this dummy surface under a single surface Feature.

    3) Go to Feature Properties and change the Point Type to Breakline. That will connect up all of those points into a line.

    4) View that Breakline in MicroStation

    5) Go to Import Geometry from Graphics and import that graphic to an H & V alignment

    6) Create a Profile with the Source set to Window Only / Alignment. Manually set the High / Low Elevation on the Controls

    7) View the Vertical Annotation  You don't need a surface ... the Vertical geometry IS the surface ... and Design ... same thing.

     
    Civilly yours,
    The Zen Dude (also known as "Mark")
    Civil Software Guru & Philosopher
    InRoads User since its birth in the 80's
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    Zen Engineering, Owner
  • Mark:

    So many CADD nerds out here named Mark, heh? Nonetheless, your methodology is a preferred one, no doubt, but the initial sorting of data/ points/ information is dubious at best (for all of the caveats you have mentioned). If "Step 1" fails, it all fails. It is quite difficult to know exactly the information which Mary is perceiving.

    Mary:

    Have you resolved your issue and have either of us helped you?

    Kind Regards, 

    Mark

    Mark Anthony Plum
    Chief Technology Officer

    1601 N.W. Expressway, Suite 400
    Oklahoma City, OK  73118
      
  • I've been out of the office over the weekend, and will be on another project for most of today. You have both helped me, and confirmed what I thought - there is no one-click way to "bring those points in as an alignment". But the processes you have both laid out for me sound like they will work. I'll just have to get some time with this data to see how it best works.

    The hardest part will be that I have a whole county full of roads.

    Thank you for your guidance, and I will let you know if I have any problems.

    MaryB

    Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918
    Power InRoads 08.11.09.918
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2

        

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  • I've been out of the office over the weekend, and will be on another project for most of today. You have both helped me, and confirmed what I thought - there is no one-click way to "bring those points in as an alignment". But the processes you have both laid out for me sound like they will work. I'll just have to get some time with this data to see how it best works.

    The hardest part will be that I have a whole county full of roads.

    Thank you for your guidance, and I will let you know if I have any problems.

    MaryB

    Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918
    Power InRoads 08.11.09.918
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2

        

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