ORD "Multi-View" Cells

In ORD, you can define a 2D cell and a 3D cell when creating a Point Feature Definition. When you place the Point Feature, if you specify no elevation, the 2D cell will get placed in the 2D file. If you want to assign an elevation, you can specify a fixed elevation, a terrain element or a corridor top mesh. The software will then place the 3D cell in the 3D model automatically.

This is all defined in the Feature Definition, which points at a Feature Symbology which points at Element Template(s). In the Feature Symbology, you can use the Default Element Template, if you want to use one element template for any mode of display for this Points symbology. Otherwise, you would leave Defaults set to None, and then under Plan, define the 2D element template, under 3D, define the 3D element template and under Profile, define the profile element template.

caddcop said:

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Hello Caddcop, I'm having some issues with this same subject. I managed to get the 2D cell working, but I cant get the 3D cell working. I made 2 separate element templates (tree 2D and tree 3D), added them to the Feature symbology at plan and 3D, but still only the 2D Cell ever shows up. when I add a point and set it on a certain elevation, nothing happens. When I place it on a corridor, nothing happens. Could you explain how you got this working exactly? Hope to hear from you!

When you look into the Feature Definition Properties, It should be defined as a Point Feature. 

In Ss4/10 In its properties, it will have a Plan and a 3D section.. You can define a different Element Template for each, using a 2D and 3D cells, respectively. If using Native Style, the 3D comes from a surface definition while Plan comes from Geometry Point definition.

If in ORD, the Point has a Feature Symbology and within it, there is the Plan and 3D Element Template. The Plan should point at a 2D cell and the 3D at a 3D cell.

Hi Chuck,

I'm having some issues creating some civil points with 3D cells as symbologies. I decided to associate our old native cell library to civil points, but there seems to be a scale problem when inserting my point.

Here's what I'm getting:

I tried putting the scale at 1,1,1 and no scale defined, but it's the same result:

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks 

Pat

Are the cells defines as Annotative? There is a setting in the model's properties related to cell usage and one is about being annotative. (You can open a cell library just like a DGN file and each cell is its own model where you can edit it directly or modifies its properties in the Model Properties dialog box.) 

Are the cells defines as Annotative? There is a setting in the model's properties related to cell usage and one is about being annotative. (You can open a cell library just like a DGN file and each cell is its own model where you can edit it directly or modifies its properties in the Model Properties dialog box.) 

All my cells have this option off... Unless you talking about another option? I would think that if this is on, it would scale both placing by cell and civil points?

That is the setting. I wonder if there is a setting elsewhere in either the Feature Definitions or the Feature Symbology that would cause this? Does the Civil point's 3D cell properties show it as annotative? And does it scale with the drawing scale.

One other thing that might affect it: Our traditional seed files and cells and many other settings (from V8i and many earlier versions) used units, solid working area and resolution settings that are incompatible with the recommended CONNECT platform settings (more like required) which tend to create issues in ORD and MicroStation CONNECT. We are having to redo a lot of our files and rescale all of our cells to address these incompatibilities.

I would investigate this further if the Civil Point 3D cell properties show a scale factor of 1, do not react with changes to the drawing scale and do not look any different that the properties of the same cell placed normally. I looked at some cells placed both ways and initially thought i could not see any difference. (More on that in a moment). I thought maybe the true scale setting might be involved, but so far, I am not sure that could be a factor. There does not appear to be a property that reflects whether True scale was on or off during placement either.

Below are two cells in a top view. The top one is a civil point and its features is one of the delivered cable guard rail end treatment features. When placed as a point, the 2D cell looks identical but in 3D, certain components are all out of scale. I suspect these might be due to the solid working areas issue I mentioned above. I can't seem to drop the the point to a cell but the notched rectangle on the left top cell appears to be 10 times to large and I assume other solids may also be exhibiting this scale issue. This could be resolution and not solid working area, but I believe it proves my theory that the legacy settings are causing issues in CONNECT.