How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Mark Shamoun — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 07:20:20 GMT

Pleased to say that this is now in ORD 2021 R1

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Levi Overbeck — Fri, 15 Jan 2021 00:18:35 GMT

This method is the way that I have went, with the creation of levels for the various types of annotation, biggest drawback is that if you do not have all the different styles set-up initially and then go back and add one, when you open a different drawing set there is all of a sudden an additional annotation set that needs to be turned off on every sheet. Or the first time you annotate an alignment the screen is flooded with multiple annotations.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

MaryB — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:17:16 GMT

So I would need a workset for each "type" of drawing in my plan set?

I can see that causing all sorts of confusion with users. And how does that work for Sheet indexing? I'm still wrapping my head around worksets and it seems like it gets more complicated the further I go.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

David E. Stewart — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:11:43 GMT

MaryB,

Let me start of by saying that this system is far from ideal, but it can be made, kicking and screaming to work.

The WorkSet that the drawing that contains the annotation is in, can reference drawings that are in a different WorkSet. Alignment A in WorkSet A referenced into Drawing B with Annotation for Construction. Alignment A referenced into Drawing C in WorkSet B with Annotation for something else. The problem with this method,is that your Feature Symbologies have to be different for the different WorkSets. This is the problem with associating the annotation definition to the element and not being able to pick the annotation definition and then annotate the element as in SS2.

Personally, I have found that if you try to force ORD to behave the same way as SS2, you are going to have a lot of (grief) problems. They are 2 different software platforms. They don't behave the same, there are features in both that I like, but I am finding out that ORD is better in more instances. There are still features missing in ORD, so I still go back and forth, but less as time goes on.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

MaryB — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 22:03:19 GMT

But I thought drawings were only supposed to belong to one workset?

And this doesn't help when the drawings all belong to the same project, but need to appear differently on different sheets, does it? that sounds like I would need a workset for plan-profiles, and one for layouts, and one for site plans, and one for structure elevations - all using the same profile or the same alignment, but requiring different annotation. I may just be confused, but that's what I am required to produce in some cases. And I don't like the idea of carrying around a half dozen copies of the profile drawing just to have different annotations. Especially if any adjustments to that annotation for readability will get thrown back to "default" any time the profile updates.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

David E. Stewart — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 13:32:57 GMT

One of the many features of ORD is that different WorkSpaces and WorkSets with their different Feature Definitions and Feature Symbologies is that the same alignment can be displayed many different ways.

1. The drawing (1) is created in WorkSpace A and WorkSet B. The Feature Definitions and Feature Symbologies are modified to Annotate correctly.

2. Drawing (2) is created in WorkSpace A and WorkSet C and drawing (1) is referenced into it. The Feature Definitions and Feature Symbologies for WorkSet C are modified to Annotate drawing (1) alternately.

3. This is one of the advantages of each WorkSet having the ability to over ride the Feature Definitions and Feature Symbologies and annotation of any other.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Tyler Larson — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:32:22 GMT

Haha, its all good. It is hard to differentiate because they both just say Annotation Group. I wasn't as clear as I could have been.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Mark Marnell — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:30:19 GMT

AH - finally the penny drops (for me! D'OH!) - correct. Sorry about that - my apologies.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Tyler Larson — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:17:51 GMT

This changes the Grid annotation but not the actual annotation of the profile line (VC, VPI, VT, K, etc), which is what I am looking for. Is this correct?

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Mark Marnell — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:15:08 GMT

I add a Profile Named boundary, and when it comes to Sheet model , I select a Different Annotation group. The image below shows 2 different style from one profile (the one on the right does not fit on the page properly (red outline), due to me not knowing that group i.e. wrong sheet size) - the profiles are annotated in the corridor file, not the geometry file - which means you do not have to allow access to those files.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Tyler Larson — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:58:55 GMT

How do you show different annotation groups though? From my understanding this is set by the feature definition of the geometry. Also, this requires that all profiles have to be created in the master geometry file which I would prefer if some people were not allowed access to those files.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Mark Marnell — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 06:38:59 GMT

You do not need multiple copies of the profile - what I meant bu 'ProfA' and 'ProgfB' was two different drawings, but using the same active profile.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

caddcop — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:14:47 GMT

I voted up on this and added a comment.

As I was, I thought of a possible workaround.

In V7 and V8, we had some offices that used different RSC files for certain linestyles. In the workspace, you would identify the office/discipline and the CFG variables would redirect these RSC files to an alternate location. As long as the line style names were the same, it would display them correctly for each office. So, what if you had duplicate names in different DGNLIBS? When a person from one office used the tools, they would get one display and when someone from another uses the tools, they get a different display?

Also, if the only solution is a copied alignment, could an alignment be created that was ruled as parallel to the original with zero offset and then it would automatically update if the original was modified?

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Ray Thwaits — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:21:20 GMT

Not that I consider this a solution, but we're including all of the alternatives in a single annotation group. The various alternatives are placed on different levels, so are selected by turning the appropriate levels on or off. For instance our most common plan sheet scale is 1"=100' and a very common detail scale is 1"=10'. Our annotation group places one set of annotations on the inch100 level(s) and another set on the inch10 level(s). It's kind of a crude workaround but it gets the job done.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Mark Shamoun — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:09:19 GMT

Added to Ideas forum as this is something we really need for better productivity:

https://communities.bentley.com/products/road___site_design/i/openroads_conceptstation/ability-to-override-annotation-group-for-specific-elements-in-master-reference-files

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Tyler Larson — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:36:37 GMT

This still requires me to have multiple copies of my vertical geometry and each set to a different feature definition/symbology. I fear having to create duplicates of alignments just to change how things are annotated because of the inherent risk of duplicate geometry not always matching.

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Mark Marnell — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:34:14 GMT

You can use different annotation groups on a profile - create ProfA with one annotation group, and ProfB with another. However, not with plans,

RE: How to use multiple annotation groups for horizontal and vertical annotations?

Mark Shamoun — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:30:09 GMT

Not that I know of - some type of Annotation Group "Override" function is needed to do this.

We've had to do this as well and end up copying elements or editing the original just to change annotation.