Mark,

Please provide screenshots and/or your data for us to reproduce the issue you are having.

https://communities.bentley.com/products/road___site_design/w/road_and_site_design__wiki/38322/drainage-and-utilities

Thank you, Holly.

Attached, you can see a simple drainage system layout, parallel to a particular centerline. The pipe lengths show up fine in the profile, but the structure widths do not. When applying the "Project Profile" tool, the projection lines do indeed represent the widths of the structures projecting to centerline, but you can see in the profile window that the widths are incorrect. Interestingly enough, the Engineering Profile shows the widths correctly. 

The only structures which project consistently in my profiles are cylindrical manholes.As well, the issue seems to be random with larger structures showing up smaller than reality at times and smaller structures showing up larger than reality. But again, the issue is mostly random.

Thanks!

Mark

I rotated the node to force a redraw of the cell and then rotated it back to its original rotation. It fixed the issue in the profile. I recorded a video showing the workflow. Please try this and let me know your results. New_1.dgn

Holly:

I tried using your method with the original file that I sent you and it worked fine with these circular manholes. However, the issue is persistent when using rectangular vaults. I checked the sizes as are reflected in the Inlet Library and they all match the sizes which are standard. When I attach any of these inlets to expand the network of manholes as were sent, the manholes either revert to the apparent default value of 4.9213' or seem to take on the size of the structure which precedes it.

As regards your "workaround", is such behavior "normal" for the display of a profile; that is, is it expected behavior to have to rotate the node and then have to rotate it back? Trying such with my inlet vaults did not change them at all; they default to the 4.9213' as has been previously mentioned. I feel that there is a clue in this number, but again what that is I cannot understand.

To answer my initial inquiry, where is SUDA getting the projected widths of these structures from? XML, plan node dimensions, 3D top/ bottom dimensions...???

Thanks!

Mark

I have no experience with SUDA so I can't offer a great deal of direct help with your problem.  I have found many problems in ORD are in some way related to metric conversions.  We run into these even though our working units are in feet.  In this case a metric to english conversion, 4.9213*0.3048, yields 1.5 exactly.

Hope this helps.

Thank you Ray for that interesting analysis. Possibly the software is "holding onto" something from a files past? Our working units are in Survey Feet (soon to be changed, of course)... still, what you have stated is of utmost interest to me.

Mark

Mark,

I tried duplicating it again with my data. I made sure to place rectangular vaults and then finally saw what you are describing. There have been a couple defects already filed for this and approved for development to address in a future release.

Defect 1088168: [Subsurface] Profile node display using "box" method (File > Settings > User Preferences)

Mark,

I tried duplicating it again with my data. I made sure to place rectangular vaults and then finally saw what you are describing. There have been a couple defects already filed for this and approved for development to address in a future release.

Defect 1088168: [Subsurface] Profile node display using "box" method (File > Settings > User Preferences)

Holly:

Several things to mention here, but one in particular: Did you use the information I provided to verify the defects, or did you use Bentley default seeds/ dgnlibs/ cellibs, etc.? Obviously, if it is happening in the information that I sent to you I could still have a serious fault on my end. If it is happening with Bentley data, then it is probably an internal coding issue. As the issue is a critical one for us, do you have knowledge of- or can you run down- when the resolution of this defect will be incorporated into a new release of ORD?

For whatever reason, I cannot reach the defect numbers in question. The link reads:

"This site can’t be reached
tfs.bentley.com’s server IP address could not be found.
Try running Windows Network Diagnostics.
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN"

There are a few other issues I have with the display of SUDA graphics which I will address in another post as they are not exactly particular to this one.

Thanks for your help with what is truly a critical issue for us (as it would be for all designers working for our primary client here, the Oklahoma Department of Transportation).

Mark