I just upgraded to window 10 and had Microstation(10) and InRoads reinstalled. There is no Create a cross-section command in the Evaluation drop-down menu!

There is no Create a cross-section command in the Evaluation drop-down menu!

Do I need to update the software or is it an application add-in or MDL that needs to be added?

I am licensed and I had it before my upgrade. It simply shows (Report cross-section) command.

Also, If my company has anti-virus software in place, Will Connect client install upgrades without administrative permission in the background?

I have clicked on up-date software, but in 30 seconds or so it says unable to install!

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  • What version of InRoads did you use before the update and what version are you using now?

    Create Cross Sections was removed from the InRoads native tools with SS4 (SS3?).  Cross sections have to be created with the OpenRoads Technology civil tools.

    This is one of the many "improvements" made with the update to OpenRoads Technology.  It's also one of many reasons we elected not to roll out SS4.  We are currently running MicroStation SS4 and InRoads SS2 in Windows 10 with no significant technical issues.

  • Excuse my ignorance, but I do not know what SS4 or SS3 means. I know my ABC's 

    The about on my InRoads says (MicrStation V8i 08.11.09.919 and InRoads help says InRoads Suite V8i V08.11.09.918).

    Other than that I would need to talk to our IT guy for any specific information.

    As for my previous Version prior to my upgrade was the same (MicrStationV8i and Inroads Suite ) I thought nothing changed here!

    Do I need to buy new software and learn new software? All we did is upgrade to windows and we were told that Connection Client was the way to go.

    So, I do not know how to answer you other than I thought we kept the same software and Licence! 

    Is there a seed or configuration file that can make this windows 10 version act like the previous version?

    What is the difference between InRoads and open Roads?

    What is Open Roads Technology Civil Tools and where can I find it (If at all) in my InRoads Suite software?

    Do I need to tell my boss that I am dead in the water (unable to check, verify or create X-Sections)?

    Do I need to ask my company for the purchase of (Open Roads) with Open Roads Technology?

    Do I need to lean new software in the middle of a Design Build (High paced project)?

    Can I get our IT guy to revert to the old system so I can stay productive until we buy new software (and learn it)?\

    Again, the (Connect Client) says that there is 1 new (application) update available, but fails every time I select it. Does our IT guy need to be in the room so that he can give access (Administrative)?

  • I could go on a pretty long rant about this but I'll try to bite my tongue.

    There are two things going on.  First, Bentley has replaced their three road design products - InRoads, Geopak and MX - with OpenRoads. Second, they have changed their licensing scheme - from SELECT to CONNECT.

    SS# is simply a shorthand version name, where SS stands for "SELECTseries": SS2=8.11.07.###, SS3=8.11.08.###, and SS4 & SS10=8.11.09.  SS2 through SS4 used the SELECT licensing.  SS10 uses CONNECT.  As far as I know, the only difference between SS4 and SS10 is the licensing scheme (this is the same for MicroStation SS4 and MicroStation SS10).  The SELECT license servers will go offline soon - I believe the end of the year - leaving users of SS2 hanging out to dry.

    With SS3, Bentley started introducing "OpenRoads Technology" as a transition to the full OpenRoads software.  At the same time, they started to remove InRoads tools.  The remaining InRoads tools, found in the Explorer menus, and files (alg, ird, dtm) are referred to as "native".  With SS4 they added more OpenRoads tools and removed more InRoads tools.  The OpenRoads Technology tools, found in the navigation task bar, and files are referred to as "civil".  Two of the InRoads tools removed (among others) are Roadway Designer and cross sections.

    OpenRoads and OpenRoads Technology work quite differently from the InRoads you're used to and will require training.  Creating the new workspace, so it works the way you want it, requires considerable effort as well.

    With the licensing changes, I'm not sure what your options are.  I know that with MicroStation SS4 both InRoads SS2 and InRoads SS4 can be installed on the same machine running Windows 10.  Because of the licensing differences I don't know whether MicroStation SS10 will support InRoads SS2.  Our agency is planning to convert several of our SELECT-licensed InRoads seats to node-locked (essentially tied to a specific computer) licenses.  If I were in your shoes I would seriously look into this possibility.  For the time being, you can revert to your old system but be aware that you may not be able to use it for long.

    There, I managed to avoid the rant, but my tongue is bleeding profusely!

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  • I could go on a pretty long rant about this but I'll try to bite my tongue.

    There are two things going on.  First, Bentley has replaced their three road design products - InRoads, Geopak and MX - with OpenRoads. Second, they have changed their licensing scheme - from SELECT to CONNECT.

    SS# is simply a shorthand version name, where SS stands for "SELECTseries": SS2=8.11.07.###, SS3=8.11.08.###, and SS4 & SS10=8.11.09.  SS2 through SS4 used the SELECT licensing.  SS10 uses CONNECT.  As far as I know, the only difference between SS4 and SS10 is the licensing scheme (this is the same for MicroStation SS4 and MicroStation SS10).  The SELECT license servers will go offline soon - I believe the end of the year - leaving users of SS2 hanging out to dry.

    With SS3, Bentley started introducing "OpenRoads Technology" as a transition to the full OpenRoads software.  At the same time, they started to remove InRoads tools.  The remaining InRoads tools, found in the Explorer menus, and files (alg, ird, dtm) are referred to as "native".  With SS4 they added more OpenRoads tools and removed more InRoads tools.  The OpenRoads Technology tools, found in the navigation task bar, and files are referred to as "civil".  Two of the InRoads tools removed (among others) are Roadway Designer and cross sections.

    OpenRoads and OpenRoads Technology work quite differently from the InRoads you're used to and will require training.  Creating the new workspace, so it works the way you want it, requires considerable effort as well.

    With the licensing changes, I'm not sure what your options are.  I know that with MicroStation SS4 both InRoads SS2 and InRoads SS4 can be installed on the same machine running Windows 10.  Because of the licensing differences I don't know whether MicroStation SS10 will support InRoads SS2.  Our agency is planning to convert several of our SELECT-licensed InRoads seats to node-locked (essentially tied to a specific computer) licenses.  If I were in your shoes I would seriously look into this possibility.  For the time being, you can revert to your old system but be aware that you may not be able to use it for long.

    There, I managed to avoid the rant, but my tongue is bleeding profusely!

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  • You're a bigger and better man than me, Ray!! ... they call me The Ranting Dude.

     
    Civilly yours,
    The Zen Dude (also known as "Mark")
    Civil Software Guru & Philosopher
    InRoads User since its birth in the 80's
    OpenRoads Documentation / Training / Support
    Zen Engineering, Owner
  • Thanks for your understanding! I have asked at my end and the word is that all our computers have to be upgraded within this year. What this tells me is that we need to leave our design teams upgrade postponed until the very last day. Also we need to have  someone at our end and a sales Rep form Bentley talk and talk quickly so that any transition goes smother or we get credit for our current software to apply to an up grade (New software), but that is above my pay grade or understanding! For now I will forward this conversation to upper management and strongly advise not to upgrade!

    Again I do apologize for my ignorance on the technicalities of this or any software! As usual, most software company's simply stop supporting software (Looking for new revenue) and tag an (outdated) label on it like it was broken!  This stuff is awesome, but I feel that a Bentley Rep should contact all businesses with (presumably) old software and in interest of good relations, reach out and talk to the users so that they are better aware of these differences!  (full discloser) If I am wrong so be it I can always go back to my other software (back door) and get my work done on time!

  • If you have any Senior CAD techs, or anyone knowledgeable about the software, try to have them in on the discussion. The Sales Reps aren't technical people, and I don't think they understand the day in-day out requirements of getting projects out the door.

    You will be in a licensing bind at the end of the year when the SelectServer licensing (SS2-SS4) goes offline.
    But to be fair, SS4 (which is the same thing as SS10 except for the licensing) has been out for...8 years? So SS2 has been somewhat obsolete for most of a decade. It's still the most functional and stable version(!!) but it is getting old.

    MaryB

    Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918
    Power InRoads 08.11.09.918
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2

        

  • Supposedly, Bentley is offering a way to continue using Ss2, but have still not released any pricing information, but it will require a node locked license, meaning the license is assigned to a PC. In the past, that meant higher costs, since the license cannot be easily shared by more than one user.

    If you want to roll a project into Ss10, you need an Ss10 workspace. The Open Roads tools do not read from an XIN in the same way as InRoads does. It uses "Feature Definitions" which can be created from an XIN, but in certain cases, it also needs Element Templates - some of which mirror what was in an XIN and can even be created from an XIN. 

    The best place to start is at this Wiki page:SS10/SS4/SS3 OpenRoads/Basic Settings(Ss4) 

    And then, its parent topic and its other subtopics.

    We had created a new Ss4 workspace for new projects, with plans to continue using Ss2 on legacy projects. But found we had to create a new Ss2 Workspace for the legacy projects as well. (It's a long story, but our Ss2 workspace was not a good fit with element templates and ByLevel symbologies. And it had not embraces a number of MicroStation settings that would impact ongoing projects if implemented. So we used the differences between Ss2 and Ss4 as a place to break from our old standard.)

    Setting up the new workspace for Ss2, in Ss4/10, took me about a week, including occasional interruptions. It is a job for users who understand CAD Standards pretty well, however. 


    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996