I just upgraded to window 10 and had Microstation(10) and InRoads reinstalled. There is no Create a cross-section command in the Evaluation drop-down menu!

There is no Create a cross-section command in the Evaluation drop-down menu!

Do I need to update the software or is it an application add-in or MDL that needs to be added?

I am licensed and I had it before my upgrade. It simply shows (Report cross-section) command.

Also, If my company has anti-virus software in place, Will Connect client install upgrades without administrative permission in the background?

I have clicked on up-date software, but in 30 seconds or so it says unable to install!

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  • What version of InRoads did you use before the update and what version are you using now?

    Create Cross Sections was removed from the InRoads native tools with SS4 (SS3?).  Cross sections have to be created with the OpenRoads Technology civil tools.

    This is one of the many "improvements" made with the update to OpenRoads Technology.  It's also one of many reasons we elected not to roll out SS4.  We are currently running MicroStation SS4 and InRoads SS2 in Windows 10 with no significant technical issues.

  • Excuse my ignorance, but I do not know what SS4 or SS3 means. I know my ABC's 

    The about on my InRoads says (MicrStation V8i 08.11.09.919 and InRoads help says InRoads Suite V8i V08.11.09.918).

    Other than that I would need to talk to our IT guy for any specific information.

    As for my previous Version prior to my upgrade was the same (MicrStationV8i and Inroads Suite ) I thought nothing changed here!

    Do I need to buy new software and learn new software? All we did is upgrade to windows and we were told that Connection Client was the way to go.

    So, I do not know how to answer you other than I thought we kept the same software and Licence! 

    Is there a seed or configuration file that can make this windows 10 version act like the previous version?

    What is the difference between InRoads and open Roads?

    What is Open Roads Technology Civil Tools and where can I find it (If at all) in my InRoads Suite software?

    Do I need to tell my boss that I am dead in the water (unable to check, verify or create X-Sections)?

    Do I need to ask my company for the purchase of (Open Roads) with Open Roads Technology?

    Do I need to lean new software in the middle of a Design Build (High paced project)?

    Can I get our IT guy to revert to the old system so I can stay productive until we buy new software (and learn it)?\

    Again, the (Connect Client) says that there is 1 new (application) update available, but fails every time I select it. Does our IT guy need to be in the room so that he can give access (Administrative)?

  • I could go on a pretty long rant about this but I'll try to bite my tongue.

    There are two things going on.  First, Bentley has replaced their three road design products - InRoads, Geopak and MX - with OpenRoads. Second, they have changed their licensing scheme - from SELECT to CONNECT.

    SS# is simply a shorthand version name, where SS stands for "SELECTseries": SS2=8.11.07.###, SS3=8.11.08.###, and SS4 & SS10=8.11.09.  SS2 through SS4 used the SELECT licensing.  SS10 uses CONNECT.  As far as I know, the only difference between SS4 and SS10 is the licensing scheme (this is the same for MicroStation SS4 and MicroStation SS10).  The SELECT license servers will go offline soon - I believe the end of the year - leaving users of SS2 hanging out to dry.

    With SS3, Bentley started introducing "OpenRoads Technology" as a transition to the full OpenRoads software.  At the same time, they started to remove InRoads tools.  The remaining InRoads tools, found in the Explorer menus, and files (alg, ird, dtm) are referred to as "native".  With SS4 they added more OpenRoads tools and removed more InRoads tools.  The OpenRoads Technology tools, found in the navigation task bar, and files are referred to as "civil".  Two of the InRoads tools removed (among others) are Roadway Designer and cross sections.

    OpenRoads and OpenRoads Technology work quite differently from the InRoads you're used to and will require training.  Creating the new workspace, so it works the way you want it, requires considerable effort as well.

    With the licensing changes, I'm not sure what your options are.  I know that with MicroStation SS4 both InRoads SS2 and InRoads SS4 can be installed on the same machine running Windows 10.  Because of the licensing differences I don't know whether MicroStation SS10 will support InRoads SS2.  Our agency is planning to convert several of our SELECT-licensed InRoads seats to node-locked (essentially tied to a specific computer) licenses.  If I were in your shoes I would seriously look into this possibility.  For the time being, you can revert to your old system but be aware that you may not be able to use it for long.

    There, I managed to avoid the rant, but my tongue is bleeding profusely!

  • You're a bigger and better man than me, Ray!! ... they call me The Ranting Dude.

     
    Civilly yours,
    The Zen Dude (also known as "Mark")
    Civil Software Guru & Philosopher
    InRoads User since its birth in the 80's
    OpenRoads Documentation / Training / Support
    Zen Engineering, Owner
  • It sounds as if you were working with InRoads SS2, and if they upgraded you to SS10 without looking at the differences, your company let you down.

    I don't know if you have the Tasks dialog open, but you *should* be able to find a set of tasks called "Civil Tools". About halfway down, you will find options for "Corridor Modeling" and about halfway down that tool set are the tools to create cross sections from your corridor surface.

    While the OpenRoads technology is headed in its own direction, it is most similar to the InRoads design process, so it's not as new to you as it was when I first encountered it from Geopak. The difference is that a lot of your geometry is going to need to be be intelligent elements in a design file. You can import your alignment from an ALG into an alignment drawing. You can Import your DTM to create a terrain in a Terrain drawing. And you can create a corridor drawing to reference those in, and use your templates to model your corridor. A lot of the tools are similar (template, template drops, point controls, target aliasing) but they are done with a lot more on-screen input and fewer data files. It's kind of nice, once you wrap your head around it, but it's not exactly the same.

    If you are in the middle of a big project DO NOT try to upgrade to actual OpenRoads Designer. That is very, very different software from the ground up, and you would either need your client to provide you with the workspace resources, or you would need a dedicated technical guy to migrate what you do have over. NOT a job for the uninformed or faint of heart!

    My heart goes out to you, and cases like these are why IT NEEDS to understand something about the software they are installing, or at least have a couple of knowledgeable power users they can talk to.

    I know there are a lot of "how-to" videos on YouTube that can cover a lot of the questions you have. We used those at my old office to teach ourselves. There is on-demand training available through the Bentley Learn site, but I don't know how much of the requires a Learn subscription. If you are able to go on the LEARN server look for InRoads SS3 or SS4 - that's (basically the version you are have now) And while that's good, the YouTube videos fill in a lot of the gaps.

    MaryB

    Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918
    Power InRoads 08.11.09.918
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2

        

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  • It sounds as if you were working with InRoads SS2, and if they upgraded you to SS10 without looking at the differences, your company let you down.

    I don't know if you have the Tasks dialog open, but you *should* be able to find a set of tasks called "Civil Tools". About halfway down, you will find options for "Corridor Modeling" and about halfway down that tool set are the tools to create cross sections from your corridor surface.

    While the OpenRoads technology is headed in its own direction, it is most similar to the InRoads design process, so it's not as new to you as it was when I first encountered it from Geopak. The difference is that a lot of your geometry is going to need to be be intelligent elements in a design file. You can import your alignment from an ALG into an alignment drawing. You can Import your DTM to create a terrain in a Terrain drawing. And you can create a corridor drawing to reference those in, and use your templates to model your corridor. A lot of the tools are similar (template, template drops, point controls, target aliasing) but they are done with a lot more on-screen input and fewer data files. It's kind of nice, once you wrap your head around it, but it's not exactly the same.

    If you are in the middle of a big project DO NOT try to upgrade to actual OpenRoads Designer. That is very, very different software from the ground up, and you would either need your client to provide you with the workspace resources, or you would need a dedicated technical guy to migrate what you do have over. NOT a job for the uninformed or faint of heart!

    My heart goes out to you, and cases like these are why IT NEEDS to understand something about the software they are installing, or at least have a couple of knowledgeable power users they can talk to.

    I know there are a lot of "how-to" videos on YouTube that can cover a lot of the questions you have. We used those at my old office to teach ourselves. There is on-demand training available through the Bentley Learn site, but I don't know how much of the requires a Learn subscription. If you are able to go on the LEARN server look for InRoads SS3 or SS4 - that's (basically the version you are have now) And while that's good, the YouTube videos fill in a lot of the gaps.

    MaryB

    Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918
    Power InRoads 08.11.09.918
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2

        

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