I'm working my way through my first project with ORD, and am struggling a bit with profiles.
I used ORD to create plan-profile sheets using my ORD geometry, corridor, and drainage files. I am working with another department that provides their own plan and profile dgns in order for me to add them to my sheets. Their profile dgns are drawn using generic MicroStation tools. In the past I provided them GEOPAK SS2 dgns of my profiles that were drawn with a 10x vertical exaggeration using a GEOPAK Profile Cell. They would reference this in to a blank file in order to draw their profile information. I would then reference their profile dgn back into mine, which would then show up on plan-profile dgns created by GEOPAK SS2.We did the same thing with plan-view dgns. Both worked very well.My question is: What is the preferred method of sharing my profile drawings and sheets so that they can continue providing their profiles for my to include on my sheets? They are not using ORD, so their files are basically "dumb" CAD files. Do they need to draw and annotate them at a non-exaggerated view? Or can they use my exaggerated drawing models as references? How are their text/notes handled with ORD's vertical exaggeration? From what I can tell ORD handles the vertical exaggeration dynamically, rather that with fixed vertical exaggeration like GEOPAK SS2 does. This creates difficulties when sharing files like I described above. I need this to be explained to me.My past workflow only used design models, not drawing and sheet models. We would share entire-project dgns: some for plan-view and some for profile view.The new process for plan-view drawings works fine as is. I just need the profile workflow explained.Thank you.
Can be explained in one word . "Nightmare"
The profiles are drawn in each sheet file. So if you have 50 profile sheets you will need to share 50 profiles with the other disciplines.
The only work around is to create a named boundary in the profile view large enough to include the whole profile. Then create a drawing of that named boundary. This will create a drawing model annotating the profile. Similar to the what we are use to . (Or the way it should be).
Regards,
Zane Pratt
Civil Designer
I totally agree. it makes way more sense to show the entire profile in one drawing for ease of labelling, using other CAD elements to assist in designing profiles, etc., not to mention sharing files. It can always be reference to sheets one it is "finalized."
There should be an option like there was in InRoads P-n-P generator. It could create a single profile view that had a separate frame for every sheet, but they were all in a single file and from there, referenced into the sheets.
Charles (Chuck) Rheault CADD Manager
MDOT State Highway Administration
Exactly, Great Post. This is how Civil 3d does it.
My last InRoads SS2 Interchange project I had a large full length profile I used for design and "P-n-P generator" profiles below cut per sheet that I referenced into the sheets. When changes occurred , I updated the annotation in the one file and model. Also the drafting for the profiles occurred in one location. Made it super easy to annotate profiles, just cut and paste notes between profile views.
I totally agree as well ... the same goes for cross sections too!
We should be managing cross sections and profiles ... not navigating through a dizzying array of drawing models and nested references.
Why can't the profile and cross section plan production tools work dynamically like the civil tools do, in one model space adjusting automatically as you make changes to alignments, profiles, and sheets?