Survey not Processing on Open Roads Disaster

I have an issue where my files stop recognizing the new survey point that I import. 

The issue is some times will bring in the points but I will not create the linework, I can't create the linework since changing the link code does nothing.  Also, I have had this happen more than once where certain codes are not recognized so the points will not come in all together no error shown since the codes are valid codes just not processed. none of the times is the surface updated or created.

I have spent three days trying to troubleshoot this issue to no avail. Does anyone have similar problems that they have been able to fix?

I have tried recreating the drawing with a clean seed file, which worked for a while, and then it stopped altogether so I am back to the beginning. any help would be nice. I have made sure the feature definitions are all set up correctly. 

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  • A few questions come to my mind:

    • What types of survey files are you importing? Raw data or coordinates? 
    • Is the data not processing as in the import fails?
    • Is all of the data going into the same field book?
    • Have you run compress on the file?
    • Are you working in a DOT workspace?
    • ORD version?
    • Sample data?
    • Screen shots of survey project settings?

    I had an issue a year or more ago that my ascii files would not import to ORD, no matter the size or format. It shut me down for almost a month. We made a few changes to Windows10 memory settings and it started working again. I dealt directly with a Bentley account manager as this was a serious problem. I'm personally not so sure it wasn't a combination of memory settings and Windows updates that caused the issue. Long story short we never nailed down the source of the issue.

  • I am importing .csv files with Point names, Northing, Easting, and Elevation 

    No, the Points show up but the linework is not drawn and it can't be manipulated once its process 

    Yes the data is going into the same fieldbook 

    I have compress the file 

    yes I am working on UDOT's Workspace 

    ORD Version 10.09.00.91

    .csv files i will add in later post 

    It's hard to show really the issue but technically I can't edit any of the points to change their code, example if it's a start point I can't switch to a start pc or an endpoint so whatever comes in that it's it. 

    Another example is where it brings in the points but nothing is drawn out 

    Here the points are in but the line won't be drawn out and can't be manipulated to do so unless I draw a line manually which defeats the point. 

    let me know if you have any other questions 

  • I'll speak in bullet points to be concise:

    • First I reached out to the DOT in my state to let them know we are having issues. Sounds like your working on a large corridor that requires significant effort to rebuild or process. Not knowing what your level of experience or rank within your organization I cant guide your response to this issue beyond letting folks know you have encountered a major bug in the software and you are working closely with Bentley and maybe others to resolve the issue.
    • I made a few changes to the import workflow:
      • create a new dgn file for each ascii file. import the same named ascii file into the new empty dgn file. 
        • if this seems to be working I would expand the amount of data incrementally with each dgn.
        • work local. Do not work in a folder located in desktop or my documents folders. 
        • Delegate the import process to pc's that may not have the issue.
          • in my case I was able to call in favors from outside sources and use other staff members machines that didn't seem to have the issue. They would then just send back the dgn file with the points imported. Make sure you provide them a blank dgn with the correct project settings for importing.
    • When you get the stand alone dgn files back begin importing / merging the data into the container file. In ORD the JSON format maybe the most viable in this situation because of the point list line work edits.
    • Keep detailed notes about the issue so as you can justify the time to your employer, client and state DOT, if needed. 
    • adjusted Windows 10 memory settings. This was a huge help.
    • verify your pc is updated with the most recent version of Windows 10.
    • In my issue I had to drop shared cells to normal cells then compress the dgn. Then reimport a massive amount of point data. This project had well over 500,000 points and probably double that. Think urban Miami corridor with lots of Lidar extraction.

    Read through that see if it makes sense or if any of it may help. Working systematically to reduce the unknowns is the only logical way to get back on track. I know the stress can be overwhelming but slowing down and digesting the work will bring results and at this point you may have no choice. Don't take any of this as condescending I'm just speaking from the seat of experience. 

    ORD does have issues but it can be extremely efficient and productive when producing design survey deliverables. There is hope.

    Cliff

  • Just found another older post I made about linework workflows....it might help. communities.bentley.com/.../353896

  • I have tried all the suggested solutions and I still can't get it to work, any other ideas? 

  • Is this the same problem that you had when you first started this post? ... using UDOT ORD Standards?

     
    Civilly yours,
    The Zen Dude (also known as "Mark")
    Civil Software Guru & Philosopher
    InRoads User since its birth in the 80's
    OpenRoads Documentation / Training / Support
    Zen Engineering, Owner
  • If the following advice doesn't help, please provide the forum a screenshot of text file containing the shots you're trying to import.  It may better lend a correlation to the survey settings you show and why things aren't working for you...  Also show what's listed under "Data File Parsing" in your Explorer dialog.  Description Separator will sometimes cause the entire import process to break if not correctly placed in the text file. Trial and error between what is set to True will allow a better result..(e.g. Space is Required Between... , Append Notes to Descriptions, etc).  Essentially, one of those two not defined by the text data being imported isn't seen as an error and seems to merely look for the content in your specified format within survey settings and if not found does nothing (as in the case for shots in a file someone may purposefully want to not be linear graphics).  If I see correctly from your screenshot, no "description' decorators appear (they'd be pink by default and lower left of the shot in your view).  It's likely the separator isn't being read and seeing the LCODE and Description as one "LCODE"... Sometimes swapping the import columns and setting for "Link Code Position" to Before instead of After helps.

    ORD 2021 R1 (10.10), 2022 R1 (10.11.00.115), 2022 R3 (10.12.02.04) | MS 10.16

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  • If the following advice doesn't help, please provide the forum a screenshot of text file containing the shots you're trying to import.  It may better lend a correlation to the survey settings you show and why things aren't working for you...  Also show what's listed under "Data File Parsing" in your Explorer dialog.  Description Separator will sometimes cause the entire import process to break if not correctly placed in the text file. Trial and error between what is set to True will allow a better result..(e.g. Space is Required Between... , Append Notes to Descriptions, etc).  Essentially, one of those two not defined by the text data being imported isn't seen as an error and seems to merely look for the content in your specified format within survey settings and if not found does nothing (as in the case for shots in a file someone may purposefully want to not be linear graphics).  If I see correctly from your screenshot, no "description' decorators appear (they'd be pink by default and lower left of the shot in your view).  It's likely the separator isn't being read and seeing the LCODE and Description as one "LCODE"... Sometimes swapping the import columns and setting for "Link Code Position" to Before instead of After helps.

    ORD 2021 R1 (10.10), 2022 R1 (10.11.00.115), 2022 R3 (10.12.02.04) | MS 10.16

     Bentley Accredited Road Designer Bentley Accredited Road Modeler

     

      colliersengineering.com 

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