Catchment basin shows up under 'Validate' but doesn't exist and produces an error in OpenRoads Designer

Not sure if this is the correct location to ask this question,

I'm having an issue where a catchment basin has been removed/deleted before but still shows up when I validate or analyze my collection system, which is leading to an error. Message Id: 44008, Message: The catchment is active but there is no outflow element specified, or the element is invalid or deleted.

I have tried double clicking and right clicking to 'zoom to' this catchment but it seems like it doesn't exist. However it still shows up in the flex tables. Is there a way to remove this?

  • If the problem element is visible in the Flex Table, highlight that row and then use Select in Drawing to select it in the dgn, and then right-click in that view window to get pop-up menu and select Delete.  If this doesn't work, you may have an "isolated" node.  In that case, use Synchronize Drawing tool - that should make the node appear in Explorer so you can delete it.  Note, however, that Synchronize Drawing may require you to re-adjust the rotation of your remaining nodes.  I suggest making an archive copy of your file before using Synchronize Drawing.

    Karl Dauber, PE
    Advance Consulting
    Laurens County, SC
    karldauber@advconsult.net
    www.advconsult.net
    www.linkedin.com/in/karldauber

  • This approach works! Thank you for your help, Karl! By any chance, would this work for most error messages? Just wondering what Synchronize Drawing does exactly. 

  • Keep in mind that there are two different sources of information when you are using Drainage and Utilities (DU).  There are properties associated with the graphical elements themselves, which is the normal OpenRoads functionality.  This is what you see when you select an element and open the Properties dialog.  Then, there is a separate DU database which is located in the DGN file, but is a separate bucket of properties that you see when you open the Utility Properties dialog.  The intent is that the two sources of information should be synchronized and consistent.  With older versions this was a real problem, but the situation has improved somewhat with more recent versions.  Still, the fact that we have two different sources of information for the same elements is an endless source of problems for both the user and the software developers.  Ultimately, the ideal solution is to eliminate the dual nature of DU, but that may not happen for some time.  Meanwhile, we have to live with it as best we can.  The Synchronize Drawing tool is supposed to address those times when these two sources get out of sync.  I don't know what happens behind the curtain, but that's the idea as I understand it.

    Karl Dauber, PE
    Advance Consulting
    Laurens County, SC
    karldauber@advconsult.net
    www.advconsult.net
    www.linkedin.com/in/karldauber

  • What are the likely chances that using the tool called 'Model Integrity Check' would end up fixing that problem? Because that definitely sounds like to me how the software actually shows what's in it for the DU database. Only problem with that is that I don't believe it shows in a "time stamp" view so you would know which is the latest Drainage or Utility input.