[ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

NHTech — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 12:27:26 GMT

If you dont have projectwise installeed.... follow SonyaP post.....

"If you are not using ProjectWise at all in your company then you can disable the ProjectWise Integration by editing the file pw.cfg in the folder: C:\Program Files\Bentley\OpenRoads Designer CE 10.10\OpenRoadsDesigner\config\appl\

You will need to uncomment (remove the #) the line: PW_DISABLE_INTEGRATION_FROM_DESKTOP=1 and save the file back in the same folder. You will need administrative credentials to do this in the particular folder.

Once this is set then you can run the Civil File Manager as normal and it will not "call" the ProjectWise environment."

or edit your icons target by following Rod's post....

" add this at the end of the Target.

-wsPW_DISABLE_INTEGRATION_FROM_DESKTOP=1"

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

Mark Gardiner — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 00:32:04 GMT

If you have projectwise installed you can, files from either on PW or local/network files

If you don't have PW installed, no CivilFileManager crashes, when trying to add files

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

JeremieDL — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 23:51:34 GMT

So we cannot use the civilFileManager to upgrade our dgnlib and files all at once…??

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

Mark Gardiner — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 23:35:28 GMT

With the stand alone CivilFileManager.exe Not the downgrade function within ORD

CivilFileManager.exe does not have

-its own pw.cfg,

-or use ORD's pw.sfg,

-or recognize the startup switch -wsPW_DISABLE_INTEGRATION_FROM_DESKTOP=1 , (It won't start with it)

So when adding file to process in CivilFileManager.exe, even without PW installed it is attempting to log onto PW, and crashing.

Another tool designed and built without the Bentley asking "What if the user....."

Mark

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

Rod Wing — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 14:22:25 GMT

Instead of editing the pw.cfg file (which most standard users can't do) you can accomplish the same thing by making a custom ORD 2021 desktop shortcut and add this at the end of the Target.

-wsPW_DISABLE_INTEGRATION_FROM_DESKTOP=1

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

MaryB — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 12:53:27 GMT

[quote userid="334014" url="~/products/road___site_design/f/geopak-inroads-mx-openroads-forum/215968/ord-2021-r1-downgrade-civil-model/659417"]A hole in the testing of the tool before release I think...[/quote]

Nothing new there...

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

Mark Shamoun — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 00:41:19 GMT

Hi Mary,

That PW cfg has always been there, but it just about disabling that cfg to get past the bug with the tool trying to access ProjectWise for users who dont have it. A hole in the testing of the tool before release I think...

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

MaryB — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 20:10:23 GMT

So...instead of making it default to a standard installation without ProjectWise, Y'all decided that it should default to a ProjectWise environment?

ProjectWise is not a prerequisite for OpenRoads Designer and we should have full functionality out of the box without it. I don't see your "instructions" to edit the PW.CFG file anywhere in the documentation. I don't understand HOW IT is supposed to "know" that. And your interpretation that "It is impossible to anticipate how each company is structured" rings with a lack of imagination, if not laziness to consider at least a few different options.

It is NOT unusual for users to NOT have administrator privileges.
It is NOT unusual for the IT people who do the software installs to NOT be the people most knowledgeable about the finer details of every software they touch.
It is NOT unusual for a company to have OpenRoads Designer without ProjectWise.

None of these is an exotic concept. Pretty standard operating procedure, in my experience.
I get more and more frustrated by Bentley's disregard for standard business practices and actual working user experience. This company is moving, philosophically, away from a practical solution grounded in engineering practice and more toward an ivory tower of ideals with little to no concern for how the work actually gets done.

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

SonyaP — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 19:51:57 GMT

Sorry it is impossible to anticipate how each company is structured and so not possible for me to give you advice on that. I am guessing that you could get it done during the install process, but that would need to be setup by the IT team that does that install.

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

NHTech — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 19:34:37 GMT

Thank you Sonya. That did the trick!!

is there any way to do this from a network location? Most users do not have administrative privileges. It would be nice to have that functionality available when they need to upgrade projects.

I guess I can get that file replaced as part of the install.

Thanks!

EricM

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

SonyaP — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 19:05:36 GMT

If you are not using ProjectWise at all in your company then you can disable the ProjectWise Integration by editing the file pw.cfg in the folder: C:\Program Files\Bentley\OpenRoads Designer CE 10.10\OpenRoadsDesigner\config\appl\

Once this is set then you can run the Civil File Manager as normal and it will not "call" the ProjectWise environment.

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

NHTech — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 14:30:06 GMT

i do not know how to run it "inside the Software". i only run it by double clicking on the CivilFileManager.exe. It opens.... but when I use the File > Open > and then select any entry.... File, Folder or Folder + Sub Folders.... it comes back with... Unhandled Exception

Thank you for your response. i will report it as a Bug. i Followed Mark's advice and updated all dgn and dgnlib files by running a batch process.

EricM

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

Ross Brown — Tue, 29 Jun 2021 20:24:03 GMT

Yes I got same when you run it from inside the software. If you go C:\Program Files\Bentley\OpenRoads Designer CE 10.10\OpenRoadsDesigner and then double click on "CivilFileManager.exe". It then runs fine. You can then dismiss the projectwise interface if that is not required. I am currently running it to update our workspace to the latest version.

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

NHTech — Tue, 29 Jun 2021 15:53:45 GMT

Thanks for the response and the Batch idea!

Appreciated,

EricM

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

Mark Shamoun — Tue, 29 Jun 2021 15:50:15 GMT

I'll see what a Bentley person has to say, but it looks like it tries to open a ProjectWise datasource, but can be cancelled for local file access. I'm betting it may not have been tested on a system that doesn't have ProjectWise installed.

Another option may be to set the CIVIL_UPGRADE_PROMPT_OFF = 1 variable in your workspace and use the batch processor to simply open all the files. That seems like it would work well...

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

NHTech — Tue, 29 Jun 2021 15:43:02 GMT

Hi Mark,

I was looking to use the Civil File Manager to upgrade my dgnlib's to ORD 2021 R1. When i try to run it, i get that the Type initializer for 'Bentley CifNET ProjectWise PWWrapper' threw an exception.

We do not use Projectwise. Have you tried to use the new 10.10 version of the manager?

C:\Program Files\Bentley\OpenRoads Designer CE 10.10\OpenRoadsDesigner\CivilFileManager.exe

Will i have to open each file rather than using the Folder + sub Folders options to upgrade multiple files?

Thanks.... i thought this went along with the content of this post. if not i can post it elsewhere.

EricM

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

MaryB — Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:28:56 GMT

Nice! Thank you.

RE: [ORD 2021 R1] Downgrade Civil Model?

Mark Shamoun — Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:03:38 GMT

Hi Mary,

I tried this out earlier, if you are in the ProjectWise environment it is integrated inside it. Otherwise, works as normal.