ORD CE 2021 R2 - Cross sections - annotating slopes for non-template segments

Hi there,

With ORD, since the very begining of Connect Edition, I have had issues with annotating segment slopes on cross-sections.

Is possible to annotate slope between two points on cross sections that are not created with corridor template? 

Time ago I was told it will be solved in 2021 R2, apparently it is not. I can not force software to annotate slope between points, eg from my site design. I tried listing Feature Definition, Point names, created dummy template in itl to chose template segments - no success.

Please advise how do you annotate slopes or distances between two points that are not orginated in the itl template.

Adam

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  • There has always been an issue with slope annotation on the cross-sections. With ORD 2020 R2, I succeeded in annotating Cant and Wall Height as " point to point" vertical distance. With ORD 2021  and R2, such exercise was impossible, though the same annotation group. ( imported as XML). The slope of the segments has been an issue and remains with 2021 R1 and R2. I did a lot of tests but never succeeded. In General,  annotation of the cross-section remains unresolved with ORD AND ORLD. Furthermore, In 2021 R1 and 2021 R2, ghost elements are annotated. 

  • Yes something that used to work: Defect 1142339:Xsection Annotation - Annotate user defined segment (not part of a template)

    Unfortunately workaround is not so quick. One way, I don't want to annotate each cross section, is to create a template with same number of segments we want to annotate and create point control to each point. Set corridor feature definition to not display component.



  • Can we expect a priority build for this? We were told it would be fixed with 2021R2 when logged SR for this defect months ago. Annotating slopes manually is a pain and for some of our layout creating corridor just to have slopes annotated is not an option.\

    Quite a basic functionality, I think.

    Adam

    Best,

    Adam


    OpenRoads Designer 2023   |  OpenRail Designer 2023

                 

  • hi, just installed ORD 2021 R2 (refreshed) with some defect fixed. This slope annotations for segments is still not fixed.

    Is it on the road map at all? Not only I have to create template with segments but it also needs to be included in the top mesh. There is a number of scenarios whre we need to annotate distances and slopes between points that are not part of componts:

    -non-linear works (with no corridors being used for modelling)

    -slopes between point on the substructure (neither top nor bottom mesh) where pavement layers are not parallel - even for corridor modelling approach

    -distance from the right of way point/marker to the slopes extremity

    -distances between safety barrier and edge of traffic lane

    -distance between fencing and slopes

    -traffic lanes widths where full carriageway is not modelled (widdening scenarios, etc)

    -headroms

    etc.

    Best,

    Adam


    OpenRoads Designer 2023   |  OpenRail Designer 2023

                 

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  • hi, just installed ORD 2021 R2 (refreshed) with some defect fixed. This slope annotations for segments is still not fixed.

    Is it on the road map at all? Not only I have to create template with segments but it also needs to be included in the top mesh. There is a number of scenarios whre we need to annotate distances and slopes between points that are not part of componts:

    -non-linear works (with no corridors being used for modelling)

    -slopes between point on the substructure (neither top nor bottom mesh) where pavement layers are not parallel - even for corridor modelling approach

    -distance from the right of way point/marker to the slopes extremity

    -distances between safety barrier and edge of traffic lane

    -distance between fencing and slopes

    -traffic lanes widths where full carriageway is not modelled (widdening scenarios, etc)

    -headroms

    etc.

    Best,

    Adam


    OpenRoads Designer 2023   |  OpenRail Designer 2023

                 

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  • Oh no, I thought 2021R2 fixed this? I’m sorry it didn’t, but I’m sure Bentley is working on some sort of a fix soon. 

  • Thanks for the post Adam. I am also frustrated with this and agree with all your points. Do you know if this has been fixed or there is a work around solution yet?

  • So...If I am reading this correctly, we can only annotate cross sections that are part of a corridor? There is no way to annotate cross sections created with surface templates/linear templates/other modeling - like sections through intersections?

    That would explain what I've been seeing. I have a short roadway corridor with modeled intersections on either end, so only half of my cross sections are being annotated. I thought it was just me, or a problem with the Annotation groups, but this sounds like it's a problem with the software.

    I know I can calculate and label things manually the way I always did, but I thought the software would be more advanced by now.

    MaryB

    Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918
    Power InRoads 08.11.09.918
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2

        

  • Hi Mary,

    It is only annotation of crossfall for Surface Templates - effectively any component that is included in the "Top Mesh" surface of a Corridor or Linear Template can have its crossfall annotated. I think this is where the issue is - Surface template components don't have this AFAIK.

    The crossfall annotation could be enhanced to not rely on this, however im curious how we would filter crossfall annotation if it was simply based on points (thats why they introduced the new annotate crossfall by points functionality). Hopefully an enhancement to Surface Templates is on its way to resolve this missing piece of functionality.

    Regards,

    Mark


    OpenRoads Designer 2023  |  Microstation 2023.2  |  ProjectWise 2023

  • .. and still, no way to annotate segments of "bottom surface" components. Even If I am working with corridor, and can select segment of the component to be annotated with the slope on X sections, it works as far as it is Top Surface, cannot find a way to annotate crossslope on the subgrade. Have no idea how to workaround this. 

    Please share if you have any ideas:)

    Best,

    Adam


    OpenRoads Designer 2023   |  OpenRail Designer 2023