Models or DGNS which is better?

So we are still in the early days of adopting ORD in my organization. I was wondering if anyone has seen any performance difference between using multiple models in a single dgn VS using multiple DGNs?

our previous method was to create multiple DGNs and reference them as parts of the drawings. what I'm wondering is if theres a benefit to say placing all the parts of a design model in the same dgn and just using model spaces to separate them.

For Example a Detour.dgn would have the following as models:

-Detour Alignment

-Detour Corridor

-Detour Terrain

-Detour Earthwork

I was thinking the main benefit would just be reducing the number of separate files we generate but was also hoping that maybe it comes with fewer crashes and better functionality??

  • I like to use separate DGN's for each corridor. Separate DGN's for each superelevation, and for Geometry.  There could be some combining for things like small corridors or simple geometry but seems best to separate them.  ORD is creating and managing models and 3D models so I do not like to get to much going on in one DGN.  Additionally multiple models allows for multiple users to participate in the Design.  Then there is always the corrupt file from time to time.  If my data is in separate DGN then each container has safe data.

    Mike Longstreet
    Vermont Agency of Transportation
    Civil Engineering Technical Support
    VTCAD Help

  • Multiple DGNs is the recomennded way to work, and it's my preference.

    I keeps the file from getting too large - by the time you have all of your design and your corridors and your terrains and everything else, I think that would make the file slower and less stable.

    Mike also mentioned a couple of good points, and the big one for me is that keeping the data federated means that more of the data is protected from corruption. If everything is in one file, and something happens to that file, everything is lost. If things are kept separate, we'd only lose that one chunk of data while everything else is untouched.

    That being said, There's wiggle room depending on the project. For something small like a single cul-de-sac, I would probably keep that all in one file. I keep my medians in a separate file from my roadway, but I don't have a separate file for every median; the same with driveways. My roadway drawing may have more than one corridor (backbone, sideslopes) For longer projects, I try to keep everything split into one mile regions so I might have RoadCorridorR1, MediansR1, DrivewaysR1, RoadCorridorR2, etc.

    I am convinced that having things split up is the best way to do it. I makes more drawings, but it also makes it easier to reference only the parts I need while protecting my data from getting all hosed at once.

    MaryB

    Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918
    Power InRoads 08.11.09.918
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2

        

  • There is a best practices document that was written for SS3 or Ss4 that is very specific to the Opens Roads workflows. For projects of any size, it is recommended that you use separate files for many workflows - they call it federating the design. Too many civil elements in one file can trigger reprocessing of the design at the drop of a hat.


    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996
  • To be honest, I'd never even thought of having separate models for terrain, geometry, superelevations, and corridor (etc.) all in one dgn but it's an intriguing concept. Perhaps worth testing.

    As all the other comments have suggested, we also keep all the models in separate dgns. It certainly makes the files more manageable and the likelihood of an unexpected crash losing your entire design mitigatable.

  • that is more or less my own concerns but since im working on trial/testing projects anyway i will go ahead and try it out. After some more thought on the subject i think im going to keep geometry separated. the corridors, terrains, and earthwork are all too co-dependent to make much of a difference in the event of file corruption. i will repost here with results if any are promising.