OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Fri, 17 Feb 2023 19:33:28 GMT

Folks:

As an update to this thread, it does appear that the "duplicating Item Types" issue is resolved in 2022 R1.

Mark

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 23:07:58 GMT

Mark:

I so appreciate your help with the matter, and I am glad that an upgrade would seem to provide a solution. I am not at all concerned with an upgrade of dgn files to the new software as we are in our infancy with SUDA implementation. I will be upgrading my software to 10.11 this weekend and testing it further.

Thanks again and have a great weekend!

Best Regards,

Mark

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Shamoun — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:48:47 GMT

Im testing this in 10.11 right now. Looks like this release only creates the Item Types on the 3d element and it only has the "Items Related" to the 2d so no propagation.

The annoying bit is that opening a SU network from 10.10 does not remove the extra item types from 2d on upgrade, so you need to select all elements in 2d and Detach Item Types. This may be a defect in 10.10 (maybe try detaching from 2d in 10.10 and see if it comes back?)

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:02:48 GMT

Thanks, Mark. Makes me wonder as to whether or not the latest version of software will fix this? Still, why is this happening?

Mark

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Shamoun — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:00:47 GMT

hmm definitely is the propagation of 2d element Item Types to the 3d, seeing if there is any way to "filter" it.

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 21:41:06 GMT

Attached is a dgn file with a couple of inlets, a manhole, and a couple of pipes connecting a network. Any help which you may be able- or the Community may be able to provide- will be so much appreciated.

Best Regards,

Mark

communities.bentley.com/.../5807.Test.dgn

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:13:38 GMT

Thanks again so much. I will post the test file as soon as I can today. It is 1:00 AM here in Oklahoma City, so later this morning I will send the file out here. I need to get some sleep even though this issue is keeping me awake (you do understand what I mean,

Best Regards,

Mark

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Shamoun — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:09:39 GMT

Curious about what the element templates look like and some of the feature symbology in case theres something in there

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:08:33 GMT

Thank again!

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:07:56 GMT

Mark, what exactly would you like to see? An actual live file? What I have shown here in pictures and descriptions is what is going on. No problem in sending out a file, of course.

Best Regards,

Mark

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Shamoun — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:04:28 GMT

No probs at all, maybe post an example so a few of us can have a look?

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 06:59:21 GMT

You assume too much from me, friend. I am still working in the previous "multiple sources of truth ORD". Have you seen this happen? The issue is completely consistent across all node definitions, and conduit definitions remain with a single Item type. In l reality, we can eliminate every second item type on export from ORD Details to Excel, but that can be a bit confusing and is certain to promote error.

Overall, you might be on to something where possibly the 3D and the 2D definitions are the issue for duplication?

I appreciate your help. You have always been so helpful to the community.

Kind Regards,

Mark

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Shamoun — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 06:53:36 GMT

Hey Mark,

I bet this is the "single source of truth" where the Item Type from 2d gets propagated to 3d and vice-versa?

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 06:35:24 GMT

Bentley folks!!!!

I NEED A RESPONSE FOR THIS ISSUE BEFORE I EVEN POSTED THIS ORIGINAL MESSAGE. WHY IS THIS ISSUE HAPPENING??????

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:45:16 GMT

Razmik:

Thank you so much for responding to my inquiry. I have tried doing as you have mentioned, but with the same results (I actually have my SUDA Item Types completely segregated into the SUDA Library, and the Features Item Types (Pavement, etc.) completely segregated into that Library). I have done some further investigation and see something troubling happening:

It seems that both the node and a "default" copy is coming in with the node, and I have no idea as to why this is happening; however, such seems to be the issue. I have checked the SUDA cell library for issues, and the default level is not used there at all, and the "default" level is only used in the file as I have pictured here AFTER the node is placed.

One other thing: This issue is not happening with conduits at all, only nodes. I fear that there is something wrong with how the nodes have been created, but have no idea as to what that could be.

Is there anyone at Bentley who wishes to chime in on this thread?

Best Regards,

Mark

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Razmik Agampatian — Thu, 10 Nov 2022 13:04:35 GMT

Hi Mark,

Have you tried to run a test again but loading this time only one of your dgnlibs that contain Item Types?

I had a similar issue in the past with Annotation groups that were stored into two dgnlibs.

Have you made sure that those dgnlibs do not contain Item Types with the same name?

RE: OpenRoads Designer duplicating Item Types

Mark Plum — Wed, 09 Nov 2022 04:35:56 GMT

Update 2022.11.08

So, I tried the following:

I added a new feature definition to the dgnlib and assigned an Item Type to it; in this case a 4' diameter manhole. I did not copy this definition, I created a new one. Upon using it, it did the same thing as before, duplicating the Item Type (one manhole feature created two of the same item types). I then created a fresh feature definition, and did NOT assign an Item Type to it. As should happen, placing this definition produced no Item Type. However, when assigning an Item Type to it in the dgn test file, the assignment produced two identical Item Types assigned to the feature.

I have two Item Type libraries, one assigned to the features annotations dgnlib and one assigned to the DA dgnlib.

I have no idea as to why this is happening, but if it is happening to me, it must be happening to others. It must be something simple (and seemingly universal), but I cannot figure it out. Any ideas or help that y'all may be able to provide would be so appreciated.

Best Regards,

Mark