Reference has reset all civil labeler notes

RE: Reference has reset all civil labeler notes

Shawn Cooke — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:59:22 GMT

A few observations....

First is the Anchor point (circled) and how it and other graphics become associated with the Civil Labeler Dialog association toggles (underlined) and global dgn Locks Association (highlighted). The two different locks (pictured below) may cause portions of the civil label to remain associated causing the broken graphic display (in those cases the dimension reassociate keyin may work when the terminator is placed on a new graphic.)

If Element Association and Annotation Association are turned off (as pictured below - only anno scale enabled), in some cases the Anchor (circle) can be moved anywhere and remain associated to the alignment data within the label. This allows the element it's placed on to be deleted, but initially leaves the label, dim and anchor where it was originally placed. When the anchor and dim terminator are moved to the new location the label seems to update...

The apparent cost: Each set of labels initially placed on changed/deleted elements would need to be moved manually to the new locations (label and dim become independent entities and only dynamic to the target). Each target in the civil label (Text Fav) will have an anchor point graphic. This only appears to work when the Civil Label is using Data Point as its Method (e.g. identify reference geometry prompt). Ensuring the reference geometry (e.g. alignment) doesn't get deleted allows the anchor point to remain dynamic. The actual offset graphic (lane lines, eop, etc), can be deleted without causing the label graphics to be affected.

Still a beast ... but maybe helps tame to bite a bit less fatally!

RE: Reference has reset all civil labeler notes

Joe S — Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:08:36 GMT

Hey Jaimee, We experienced this same exact issue 18 months ago. I logged a support ticket with Bentley, no good solution. They said they would add it to the list of enhancements. That was on ORD 10.9, we are about to go to ORD 10.12 and still no fix. We ended up having to re-label every Sta/Off, easily lost 2 days of work. What we do now, NO FAITH in Civil Labeler, as soon as we place a label we drop it so there is no association, just dumb text. If the ref is broken our labels stay intact.

RE: Reference has reset all civil labeler notes

Jaimee Hansen — Wed, 31 May 2023 21:18:04 GMT

i am also encountering this association issue for the notes that are still reading the correct stationing. see screenshot.

RE: Reference has reset all civil labeler notes

Jaimee Hansen — Wed, 31 May 2023 20:34:47 GMT

it was worth a shot, but openroads designer does not let me click on any element that is part of the civil labels while that key-in is active.

it gives me a "do not" or a " " symbol

RE: Reference has reset all civil labeler notes

Shawn Cooke — Wed, 31 May 2023 20:32:18 GMT

Curious what the key-in "dimension reassociate" does in this case. It's a long shot, but give it a try. EDIT: Also instead of dragging, try the Modify Element tool to move the end of the dim to the graphic.

RE: Reference has reset all civil labeler notes

Jaimee Hansen — Wed, 31 May 2023 19:27:47 GMT

That would have been the preferred method, but as i already said, for whatever reason my engineer who was in control of that design file was not able to do so. the original striping design file that my sheet was referencing was deleted entirely, leaving me no choice but to re-attach the design file they uploaded as a backup.

RE: Reference has reset all civil labeler notes

Shawn Cooke — Wed, 31 May 2023 19:26:51 GMT

What method are you using the reupload back into ProjectWise? Do you export and allow ProjectWise to bring in that copy from the same local exported location?