Data Acquisition Plot Scales

I am setting up the new Data Acquisition tool in SS1, and am having issues controling the plot scale of points, cells, and line styles.  I have exported my SMD to XML and am using that for a style file.  Here's how the SMD file was setup:

All cells are drawn at 100 scale, so when placing a cell at 100 scale, you would use a cell scale of 1, 50 scale use 0.5, 20 scale use 0.2, etc.

In the SMD file, I have identified the Apply Creation Scale = 100 (thus scaling the cell back down to true scale 1=1, or a cell scale of 0.01)

Text for the point labels in the SMD are set to TH/TW of 2.5/2.5, again with a creation scale of 100

When processing survey using the SMD, I use a plot scale of 20, thus scaling all cells from a 0.01 to 0.20 for 20 scale, and text imports at a TH/TW of 0.5/0.5.

Now, with Data Acquisition, when I bring in survey, the cells are importing at a scale of 0.00083, and the text imports at TH/TW of 0.0021/0.0021.  It appears that the Data Acquisition tool is applying the creation scale (scaling everything down by 0.01), and also scaling everything to inches (1/12).  i.e. cells = (1/100)/12=0.00083, and text = (2.5/100)/12=0.002083

With all that said, can I apply a plot scale in Data Acquisition?  How do I prevent Data Acq from converting to inches?

Microstation v8.11.7.180 with Geopak Suite v8.11.7.227

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  • Also, is there any documentation outside of Geopak Help for the Data Acquisition tool?  Any Bentley Learn courses?
  • As far as training, we have some workshops set up for use at conferences and such.  There will be a session at BE Together on May which covers Data Acquisition.

    As to your scaling issues:  There were a couple of problems in the released version which together account for the struggles you are having.  Here is how point locators should work and does work in the Select Series 2 release which is now several weeks away.  In Select Series 1, you may have to work at it a bit to get the results you want.

    In your examples, you configured the SMD to use a certain size for a certain scale.  For example, the point locator might be defined as 5 ft at 100 scale.  Data Acquisition reads this and if it finds your annotation scale is 100 then the locator is placed at size = 5.  If it finds annotation scale is 50 then it places the point locator size = 2.5. 

    Text and cells sizes will behave similarly.

    Your note about the inches is actually correct in the grand scheme but there was a bug in the implementation.  Let me explain: for a scale of 1" = 50' is really equivelent to 1" = 600" (or 1:600) which is how scales are handled within Microstation.  But, as noted above, the end results should be identical to your specifications in the SMD.  In the Select Series 1 release there was a math error that improperly compensated for this scales issue.

    So to sum up your final question: "Can I apply a plot scale?"  Yes, all you should need to worry about is go to Settings > Drawing Scale and choose the appropriate scale.  In your case, 1"=50' or 1"=100'. 

     

    Robert Garrett
    Senior Product Engineer
    Bentley Systems Inc.



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  • As far as training, we have some workshops set up for use at conferences and such.  There will be a session at BE Together on May which covers Data Acquisition.

    As to your scaling issues:  There were a couple of problems in the released version which together account for the struggles you are having.  Here is how point locators should work and does work in the Select Series 2 release which is now several weeks away.  In Select Series 1, you may have to work at it a bit to get the results you want.

    In your examples, you configured the SMD to use a certain size for a certain scale.  For example, the point locator might be defined as 5 ft at 100 scale.  Data Acquisition reads this and if it finds your annotation scale is 100 then the locator is placed at size = 5.  If it finds annotation scale is 50 then it places the point locator size = 2.5. 

    Text and cells sizes will behave similarly.

    Your note about the inches is actually correct in the grand scheme but there was a bug in the implementation.  Let me explain: for a scale of 1" = 50' is really equivelent to 1" = 600" (or 1:600) which is how scales are handled within Microstation.  But, as noted above, the end results should be identical to your specifications in the SMD.  In the Select Series 1 release there was a math error that improperly compensated for this scales issue.

    So to sum up your final question: "Can I apply a plot scale?"  Yes, all you should need to worry about is go to Settings > Drawing Scale and choose the appropriate scale.  In your case, 1"=50' or 1"=100'. 

     

    Robert Garrett
    Senior Product Engineer
    Bentley Systems Inc.



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