Power Civil: Elements not updating

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

neilw — Wed, 26 May 2010 22:01:25 GMT

Bebe,

This problem does not seem to be related to the section elements. I have tried using a comp section with parallel elements to model the curbs and get the same behavior. Also, I have noticed that the section elements are updating but the draped elements are not. I've tried recreating the draped elements, making sure there were no overlaps or other geometry issues, with the same results. I have also tried making a new model and new objects from the elements. I am out of ideas on what I need to do to get this to work. Can you provide some insight into what might be the cause?

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

Beebe Ray — Wed, 26 May 2010 17:17:19 GMT

In theory that should work just fime

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

neilw — Wed, 26 May 2010 08:06:33 GMT

Seeing that the issue is caused by a section element, could I get around the problem if I used a composite section with parallel elements for the curbs instead?

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

Beebe Ray — Wed, 26 May 2010 05:57:35 GMT

If it is similar to the situation earlier then you would need to just force an update to the element that has the section on it. The eop element was updating when the reference surface changed but one of the section elements were not. So forcing an change to the eop element would make the section update.

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

neilw — Wed, 26 May 2010 05:03:05 GMT

Bebe,

I am encountering this problem in other areas of my model. Can you tell me how to get around this defect in my version of Power Civil (08.11.05.37)?

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

Beebe Ray — Thu, 13 May 2010 00:55:37 GMT

you can just email me at beebe.ray@bentley.com

Thank you

Beebe

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

neilw — Wed, 12 May 2010 23:54:24 GMT

I'll gladly send you my contact info but I don't know how to do it via the forum. Can you provide a secure way to send my contact info to you?

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

Beebe Ray — Wed, 12 May 2010 23:43:15 GMT

I think that we have determined this scenario to be a defect. If you would pass along your contact information and I will include you in the defect tracking so you can be notified when there is a fix.

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

neilw — Wed, 12 May 2010 21:14:50 GMT

Beebe,

I am not sure why but today the sidewalk elements are updating when I edit the pavement vertex. Yesterday I was examining the elements closely and found that the end points of the pavement arc were not coincident with the tangents. After fixing them the objects still were not updating when I tested it yesterday but today they are. I have no explanation at this time. Perhaps you might you get similar results.

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

neilw — Wed, 12 May 2010 09:34:27 GMT

Beebe,

When we grade parking lots we need to control the vertices of the pavement edge individually vs. draping the entire element on a construction object since that technique does not work well with the constraints we encounter in our terrain.

In this instance I am needing to raise the low end of the curb return to reduce the steep slope along the sidewalk around the curve. Rather than using the point element tools to control the vertices, I prefer to create a construction object using point cells located at the vertices of the pavement element. By draping the pavement element on the construction object by vertices, I can control each vertex of the pavement by editing the point cells in the construction object. One advantage to this technique is that I can create independent relationships between pavement vertices by creating relationships between the point cells in the construction object. For example I can apply an elevation to one point cell, then create a slope relationship from that point to another point and so on. Also, if I need to add a grade break along a tangent, I just add a vertex to the tangent and a point cell to the construction object at that vertex. Then if I need to delete or move the grade break I just delete or move the vertex. This couldn't be done if I had instead used a point element to create the grade break since those points become embedded in the element and can't be moved or deleted.

An even more powerful advantage to this technique is achieved when the Point cells are snapped to the vertices of the pavement element with association enabled in Microstation. Then if the vertices of the pavement elements move horizontally, the point cells in the construction object move with them and thus the pavement element vertices are always coincident with the construction object. The one caveat here is the pavement elements have to be re-draped after moving a vertex since the construction object does not update the draped element when both move simultaneaously.

I find this capability in Power Civil is a powerful advantage over competing civil products. I just hope we can make it work reliably.

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

Beebe Ray — Wed, 12 May 2010 06:25:29 GMT

Neil,

I looked at your dataset and can see what is going on. I need to look at the issue further. I see that you only edit the one point in the temp object and not the entire curb return element in the PL object. Would you mind explaining why you do that. I am just curious. The single point edit is not triggering the update downstream of the Parking lot. When you edit the curb return or any other EOP in the PL then the Sidewalks follow suit and update. We did some work awhile back on updating section elements and handleing the updating of elements with relationships. I am thinking this may be related to that but I need to do some further testing.

I will keep in touch.

Beebe

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

neilw — Tue, 11 May 2010 23:43:19 GMT

I'm posting it now. The file is called Muise.zip.

Thanks Beebe.

Re: Power Civil: Elements not updating

Beebe Ray — Tue, 11 May 2010 23:35:10 GMT

Could you post your data to the bentley ftp site

ftp:\\ftp.bentley.com/pub/incoming/

Thanks;

Beebe