XIN for Data Acquisition

Robert, I'll contact you later next week about having a meeting on this.

But, since I am holding a seminar on my TOPO and DTM merge task, that might have been greatly simplified by the Data Acquisition tools, I decided to test out some things.

When I used the Item Browser and imported "linked" my XIN, the result seemed less than ideal. I saw point and line features - which seemed limited to geometry features - no survey features. I was running this using PowerCivil for North America, SS1 908.11.07.181) - Could that be part of the problem?Or do all survey Features also have to be Geometry Features? When I opened an FWD, there did not seem to be a true matching of feature codes and it also seemed to not honor PC, PT, ST, etc. Control Codes.

I was able to make a new surface from two Photogrammetry DTM's, but I did use the Existing DTM's instead of the 3D cad files. Since the content manager lumps all breaklines together, does that mean that there are no feature based DTM's like InRoads.

Also the random points came over with no style and what looked like no name, but it might have been " " - easy enough to fix with Feature Properties once I figured out that the seemingly blank line was really a feature too.

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  • The XIN setting for Data Acquisition is in design file settings > Data Acquiisition.  DA does not use the Item Browser linked XIN. Set the design file setting to point to your XIN and this should solve your features related problems.

    I was able to make a new surface from two Photogrammetry DTM's, but I did use the Existing DTM's instead of the 3D cad files. Since the content manager lumps all breaklines together, does that mean that there are no feature based DTM's like InRoads.

    DA uses features to determine DTM attribute on field survey data, but not in imported surfaces.  FYI - you can extract the graphics into surface by selecting them and then right click on breaklines (or spots or other as appropriate) and choose import selected. 

     

    Robert Garrett
    Senior Product Engineer
    Bentley Systems Inc.



  • OK, I finally figured that out.

    If you look in the Design File Settings without opening the Data Acquisition dialog boxes, the right pane of the Design File Settings dialog box is blank. Now I see all of my XIN settings. So far, so good.

    I do seem to be having a scale issue. It would seem that everything is being scaled twice. I know how to change my drawing scale. Is there a data acquisition scale?

    Finally, I have a FWD with a dozen, disjointed areas. No matter what I set my Triangle Side length to, it insists on connecting every area with its closest neighbor using long triangles. I cannot merge this surface into others if it retains these triangles. Actually, to merge these with InRoads, I used Copy Portion of Surface to create separate DTM's from the areas and use fences created from their perimeters to Fence Delete Features from the destination surface. The merge surface tool insists on creating some type of merge boundary points and/or breakline that is often not useful when dealing with two existing surfaces.

    Having the breaklines loose their styles is not desireable. For now, I prefer InRoads Survey for this, but it still looks promising. There is also a speed issue. InRoads Survey is much faster at creating its graphics than DA.


    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996
  • Hi,

    I may be able to help.

    1) Drawing Scale (for DA) is controled by the MicroStation Annotation scale. Enable annotation scale and then change the scale value to resize text.

    2) With the disjointed areas. Use MicroStation selection set to gather the data you want in a single surface, then go to Surfaces branch and right click> Create surface from Field Book select set. That should throw all the data in the selection set into a new surface.

    HTHs

  • My annotation scale was 1" = 30' and in my XIN, I would use 1" = 30" as my Survey Scale or InRoads Scale. But when testing DA tools, I had to set my Annotation Scale to 1" = 1" for the linestyles and cells to look correct.

    As for as the disjointed areas, I'll have to try and see how that works.

    I do like the observation linework - its good for seeing where the Instrument was and where the shots occur.


    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996
  • Have you installed the SELECTseries 1 refresh yet? We did do more "convert XIN to DA Styles" work in the refresh.

  • I'm actually in PowerCivil for NA, V8i (Ss1) 08.11.07.181 which I believe has the refresh in it. Its the version of PC for NA that can run non-DLL MDL's


    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996
  • Hi,

    there's been another refresh recently posted for PCNA. 08.11.07.244

    As I said, we did some more work on the conversion of all the "native" style files (PSS/XIN/SMD) to DA Styles...

    Hopefully this will help.

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