InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

mwlong — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:26:56 GMT

Thanks, I will need to give it a try when I get back on that project. I got it to work a different way for now.

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

Paul-97 — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:41:05 GMT

Mike,

I don't think removing the rounding will make a difference either but you have to eliminate every possible issue.

I mean for you to compress the target surface. I've seen various InRoads commands fail due to errors in the surveyed / target surface.

You might try exporting the target surface to LandXML and then importing the file back to InRoads as a new surface. That should eliminate the original surface as a possible cause. You might consider export/inport triangles only and render the new surface to check for holes.

Paul

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

mwlong — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:45:15 GMT

Thanks for the reply.

1) No I did not try this.

2)No

3)Yes

4)yes

I don't think compressing the surface will make a difference. Usually when I run a surface and have issues I delete the surface and re-run it. I re-ran this surface several times after deleting the original with no difference. I don't know that removing the rounding makes a difference either since I applied an EC override to remove the cut and force a fill condition where there is no rounding.

I will need to give these suggestions a try when I get back to that project so I can rule them out.

Thanks again,

Mike

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

Paul-97 — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:25:20 GMT

I ran the 1029typ-3% template with no problems. I ran super by the template method about the crown point. I placed an end condition over ride just past curve center where my alignment and surface triggered the cut solution you were having problems with. It worked fine for me.

When an issue like this can't be replecated I start looking for the "ODD" causes.

1) Did you try removing the rounding from your template?

2) Did you try compressing your surface?

3) Did you try a new DGN file?

4) Did you try creating a new geometry project and copying ONLY the alignment of interest into it and then closing the main geometry project?

I have found interactions between 'user data' (corrupt horizontal alignment, corrupt surface feature, a DGN glitch) can cause errors where there should be no error.

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

mwlong — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 01:01:14 GMT

Anybody have any ideas/solutions with this?

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

mwlong — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:48:53 GMT

I tried making the End Condition Exception component a child to the Edge of Shoulder and it did not make a difference.

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

mwlong — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:42:35 GMT

Thanks for the reply. As you mention that it seems to be locked at the first station I am wandering if I make the End Condition a child of the edge of should if that would fix the issue. I will need to see if that is possible and whether or not that fixes the issue. I will test and post results later.

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

mbachand — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:54:38 GMT

I think I have seen something like this happen before as well. From what I can remember I added an end condition exception at a station where the template was transitioning from normal crown to superleveated. For some reason the end condition exception origin point would not move with the edge of roadway. It's almost as if it was locked at the location from the first station in the end condition exception range. Like it was missing a constraint or something; even though I thought I had merged the ECE origin with the templte point. Check your roadway modeler section view to see if something like this is happening over the ECE station range.

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

mwlong — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:47:18 GMT

Here is my template library. I don't think anything is using an "Project To" constraint however I am I working on another project at the moment and I can not verify that right now.

Re: InRoads v8i SS2 EC override in superelevation problem

Paul-97 — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:01:36 GMT

Could you post your template library?

Would your template happen to be using one of the 'Project To' constraints?

Paul