I started a new thread with a new Subject in order to appeal to a larger audience...
I am trying to work my way through an entire production design/plan preparation sequence using GEOPAK SS3 and am running into a few stumbling blocks. I realize that the SS2 tools still exist in SS3, but many of them don't function the same way. Some of them that come to mind are:
Plan/Profile Sheet cutting
Plan View Labeler
Draw Profile Tool
Profile Labeler
Drainage
Using DDB to draw Pavement Marking
Quantity Manager
etc.
I understand that we can export alignment data and terrain data back to the native gpk and tin files, and then continue to use the SS2 tools found in SS3 to finish a plan set.
Once I have a final H and V alignment things work pretty smoothly, but I'm having a hard time getting there. Currently I am struggling with the Profile tools in SS3. Is there a way to use a GEOPAK Profile Cell in order to use the Draw Profile tool to display various profiles? So much of how I design profiles relies on profiles that are cut from a surface at the right-of-way for instance, or maybe I graphically offset an existing (or proposed) profile vertically in order to help design a new profile. I often utilize other graphics shown in a profile view to design a CL profile. I noticed that you can't even attach other profile views as references. Active Chain Control doesn't work in a profile view, but that seems to have been replaced with Civl Accudraw. The list goes on and on. So much of this seems impossible in SS3.
I'm curious what others' experience has been with regard to an entire start-to-finish workflow on a roadway project.
Josh Mauritz
Josh,
I am very interested in see a response from Bentley reps or experience users on this. I'd also like to request, as Michael Gilham alluded to in another thread, a tutorial that explains how to transition from Site Modeler to OpenRoads.
Aaron
Aaron:
A site modeling workflow in OpenRoads will go something like this:
Then, to be fair, we must discuss the limitations:
Then the next question that you haven't yet asked is: Can OpenRoads provide the same sort of models? The answer is yes. I have been able to do everything I needed to model which includes a 25 lot subdivision and a 50 acre office complex. However, there are some inefficiencies that create a little extra work. Is the extra work worth the benefit of a more detailed model which is integrated with the road designs? You will need to answer that for yourself. If you decide not, then remeber that you can have SS2 and SS3 OpenRoads installed simultaneously.
Robert GarrettSenior Product EngineerBentley Systems Inc.
Attached is an image of the office site I mentioned above
Robert,
That office park exhibit looks very much like a Site Modeler data set! Thanks for the replies in this thread. Much appreciated by me and, I am sure, others who read this forum. Take care and happy holidays from Iowa!
Actually, it is a dataset that has been used for Civil Storm training for a number of years. I had to revamp the Civil Storm terrain models and redesign using OpenRoads, of course. Note, the main roadway in front of the Office. It was desgined using road corridors and more traditional road design workflows, thus emphasizong the value of OpenRoads merging site and road workflows into a single toolset building common data. There's such thing as road data versus site data. You just mix and match tools as best fit the circumstance because they produce the same data in the end.
But is is similar to the Site Modeler 1 training data you've seen, which by the way, that old dataset and manual has been refactored into an OpenRoads SS3 dataset and manual. Why put new retreads on such an old dataset? Well, it is a good dataset for one, but more importantly for users who are familiar with the old dataset, it makes it easier to adopt the new tools to data which is familiar.
Robert, where can I find the OpenRoads SS3 dataset and manual that you mention above? We have a Site guy in our office that is looking for something like just like this.