Terminal / plug-pin manager in 8.11.12.137

Can you please tell whether all the terminals in this device ID are not shown or only 9,10,11 ones ?

Initially only the added ones 9,10 & 11.

They were spares and asked if I wanted to use them. Added as one end of the cable has all cores terminated but these 3 cores are spare non-connected ones at the other end.

Also IF relevant I added them by using place symbol again on a symbol on the same terminals devID.

However after re-running the "Run G Plan" the 9,10 & 11 appear in there but now the whole of the XTS3 term block has disappeared from Term pp manager, no matter how many times I run it or close and restart pe.

Did a bkup and rebuild which restored XTS3 but still no 9,10,11 or any other terminal.

Made block XTS66 with terminal 1 in it on the schematic. Looks like all my terminals and their standard settings.

However term pp manager see XTS66 but no terminals appear in it.

This occured to me when I had 8.11.12.88 running but was fixable by renaming the terminals devID to say XTS30 then okaying that. Then changing it back to XTS3.

This all goes hand in hand with my main issue with the current pe. Graphical plan terminals cannot just be refreshed or those pages redone without deleting the pages and then redoing them. Its still there in 8.11.12.137.

(note I am in Perth Australia so may be delayed answering, & am away onsite for 3 days next week)

Matt sorry for the delay, had to go away to site then get back onto drawings again.

Proved it not to occur on 4 other projects so it seems to be a corruption.
We tend to copy a template so it may be across that machine type template.
So I'll try to redo it.

No I didn't delete the spares just answered yes to the request to use them.
No I just saw 3 terminals in the list numbered 9-11 in the "Run Graphical Plan".
Also renamed the Terminal 9 to be on a different DEV ID, XTS66.
It too appears in G.Plan but no terminals are in the list in Term.Manager.

Result:
A terminal has to join something ( a device) before it will be seen.
(Any wire connected to it must be connected both ends before the terminal is seen.
So I also found that you cannot leave an end of a wire unconnected.
(Was trying to to have all the cores of a cable connected at one end. The spares at the other end are bound up unused.)
So created a connection point. Join your spare wire to it and the terminal appears in terminal manager.

Unknown said:

A terminal has to join something ( a device) before it will be seen.

Before it can be seen in Terminal/Pin-Plug Manager? That should not be the case. Does that happen in other projects or just this suspect one? When I create a new project and insert a schematic terminal symbol on a page, I can right-click the symbol, select Terminal/Pin-Plug Manager and see the terminal there.

Will check it out as I don't remember checking any other projects.

I have checked it on other projects and your suggested method does not occur.

On two other projects and I repeated the exercise:
Find an existing terminal group, use term manager to check how many terms are used.
Add one (using right click "place symbol again") onto the drawing (numbered after those already used, obviously).
Check in term manager using right click to term manager, not there.
Add a wire, unconnected at one end. Still not there.
Add a device, in this case a locator symbol which is merely a connection point named locator, but could be any device.
Check and now the new terminal appears.

I have checked it on other projects and your suggested method does not occur.

On two other projects and I repeated the exercise:
Find an existing terminal group, use term manager to check how many terms are used.
Add one (using right click "place symbol again") onto the drawing (numbered after those already used, obviously).
Check in term manager using right click to term manager, not there.
Add a wire, unconnected at one end. Still not there.
Add a device, in this case a locator symbol which is merely a connection point named locator, but could be any device.
Check and now the new terminal appears.

Richard, I'm either missing a key piece of the workflow or the problem is some kind of corruption because I still have not reproduced the problem.

Do you have a small project in which I can perform the steps you described above and see the problem? If so, please create a backup of the project with the "Create project catalog" option enabled and upload the backup according to Communities Secure File Upload. Then reply back here with the name of the file.

SN485 - CS.Prj and/or SN485 - CS.zip

This should show the XTS13 terminal block which is the one I had issue with but have same non appearing issue in others too.

It is also now using the "fixed" cable from the other thread about issues with the Family Modifications. (cable is question was family EW190)

Richard, the problem is caused by having no Visible connection point text specified on the terminal symbols. While this should be avoided, I would not expect it to prevent terminals from appearing in Terminal/Pin-Plug Manager like it does, so I have submitted defect TFS 207097 to the development group for this.

Is there a reason you are using Hidden connection point (CP) text on terminals instead of Visible Text on the schematic symbols?  Visible terminal CP text can be turned off so that it is not seen on the screen by using the  Display Terminal Connection Point Text toggle in the Display Options area of the Design task. And Visible terminal CP text can be removed from wire lists with the technique described in the Removing Terminal CP Text from Wire Lists article.

I didn't create the original terminals, merely use them. Now this detail is known, I'll look into that very point. Yes I understand the display switch & will check out the link above.
Thanks for your investigation.
We were worried there was no intent to continue with promis.e as earlier requests for help didn't get us anywhere I am told.
Since finding this area, I have found it very helpful.