We are required by one of our Customers to supply them with DGN and DWG copies of the Electrical Schematics we have designed for their Project.
The issue they are having is once the Schematics have been exported into either DWG's or DGN's the Title Block becomes non-conformant due to the attributes being exploded (or appear to be exploded). Microstation doesn't allow them to import the Project file (.prj).
It's important that our Customer gets the attributes contained within the drawing as they are converted into metadata when imported into ProjectWise.
Would you be kind enough to either advise on the issue or explain the process of exporting and importing the title block and what we need to do to achieve an output which retains the attributes please?
Kind Regards, Dave.
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Hi Dave,You have mentioned that the user are being supplied with Electrical Drawings. But you also have mentioned that the Title block become non-conformant due to the attributes being exploded. Do your customer want to change the attributes of the title block or they want to just view them.? And the Attributes for the Title Block are stored in Database which is not the case in Microstation or AutoCAD. Hence when DGN are converted to DWG the current Attributes values are converted to Tags which can be viewed in AutoCAD but they don't have any intelligence to them as in case of Promis.e.
Dave Wakenell said:It's important that our Customer gets the attributes contained within the drawing as they are converted into metadata when imported into ProjectWise
If the user need to use the Promis.e Projects and import them to ProjectWise they need to have Promis.e with ProjectWise Integration.Regards,Satish Saptasagar
Thank you for helping with this query.
Satish Saptasagar said:Do your customer want to change the attributes of the title block or they want to just view them.?
The Customer just wants to be able to view them
Satish Saptasagar said:And the Attributes for the Title Block are stored in Database which is not the case in Microstation or AutoCAD
Are attributes stored within the Title Blocks of individual DGN files/sheets?
We normally supply the Customer with DGN's by sending the files that are contained within "C:\promise Data\My Projects" and then copy the DGN's from a particular project folder (see attached photo). Is this the correct method? Do they need any other files from within the project folder?
Kind Regards, Dave
Hi Dave,Thank you for your Comments,The Title Block attributes value are stored in DGN and the same can be seen from the below image.And yes you can send the drawings contained in the "C:\promise Data\My Projects" folder and the user can use the same. Can you elaborate on "How to retain Title Block data/information when separate DWG & DGN " with more details.Also you can use Project Publisher for providing the user with deliverables (PDF), You can refer the below Wiki Link for the same.
And Batch converter can be used to deliver the drawings in DWG format, you can refer the below Wiki Link for the same.Regards,Satish Saptasagar
The following and attached is an excerpt from our Customers latest email:-
"unfortunately both DWG and DNG files are non-conformant. Please refer attached screenshots and attached DGN file (TW approved title block which forms part of SPD-14). The screenshots show if you click on specific items on the title block it will come up with a dialogue box which allows you to edit tags.
The title block in the DGN files you supplied previously have lost this function (I suspect due to incorrect importing of the title block or exploding). These Tags (or attributes) are used as metadata when uploading to ProjectWise."TWU-Eight2O-Model-Title Block.dgn
I hope this helps with understanding the issue.
Any advice on the above from yesterday?
Hi Dave,Thank you for sharing the Title block that you are using. We went through the same and we found the Title block attributes are Tags. But if can try using the Out Of The Box Title block for creating Promis.e Projects and if you save them as DWG / DGN they will get converted to Text attributes.
There are standard attributes for Title Block in Promis.e Title Block Designer. You can follow the below Wiki Link for details on Title Block Designer
Thank you for investigating this. Just to clarify the matter, are you saying that our Customers Title Block (TWU-Eight2O-Model-Title Block.dgn) hasn't been created properly and will not work as expected when it's imported/loaded into ProjectWise?
Hi Dave,Thank you for the update,To let you know the attributes present on the title Block shared by you looks like they are not Promis.e Title Block attributes hence it might not be getting updated in the ProjectWise accordingly as they are plain Tags and not Promis.e Title Block Attributes.Regards,Satish Saptasagar
What's the difference between tags and title block attributes?
Can they be swapped over?
Hi Dave,Attributes are a part of Promis.e functionality whereas Tags are a part of Platform/MicroStation. Any attributes in Promis.e have a database entry associated to them. That means all the attributes are saved in the database (SQL database). On the other hand Tags being a part of Platform, do not have any entries in the database.You can think of attributes as special tags with corresponding database entry. As Attributes are fundamentally defined differently than tags, I believe it may not be possible to swap one for the other.Regards,Sarvesh Kulkarni